Off Topic General Election Special

Oh you do make chuckle.
Fancy thinking people read manifestos and then base their voting decisions on factual information.
You are a one

 

What we ought to do is have a World Cup of manifesto pledges.
Vote to see what the parties plan to actually do, and how it might affect us, instead of just regurgitating media sound bites?

crazy I know

 

The Conservative Party will be obsolete within the next 10 years or so. Empathy, compassion and belief in others will continue to grow and these are not Tory ideological traits. They know that their best chance is to foster an increasingly bitter and self-serving environment.

 

We would go out in the group stages

 

It’s amazing they’re not obsolete already. The past few years culminating in this tragic election campaign are reminiscent of a slapstick comedy.

It’s demoralising to know the media have so much influence they can actually brainwash and manipulate people into supporting them, and purely by smearing the opposition rather than promoting anything even remotely positive of their own.

I suppose it comes down to Brexit and the way they’ve somehow managed to convince them it will be of any benefit to them whatsoever. Like turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

I’ve never really understood why people didn’t get excited about it being a non binding referendum beforehand if they really thought it should have been one?
It was very clear what it was (I.e. simply an opinion poll that the Govt could choose to listen to or not) beforehand but no one seemed worried about that.
Democracy could have been used before the referendum to change that position if enough people had wanted to.
The other issue of course is trying to align a single referendum where everyone votes in the same ‘pot’ with a parliamentary constituency based system was never going to be easy, as the two things don’t fit very well.
That could have been avoided by having the referendum as a binding one...but no one seemed to want that?

 

Doubt if I will be around then but I wouldn’t bet on it.

 

But is his opinion more valid or correct?

 

We might need VAR.

 

Both main parties said they would honour the result, and if I remember it said that in the advisory leaflet that was sent to every household.

If it had been left to the government at the time there was a chance we could have left ages ago. Once the court ruled that it had to be a parliamentary decision there is no chance to get a majority vote on anything, as shown in the last 3 years of squabbling.

It seems to me that it won't get any better after this election either.

 

If he agrees with you, of course it is.

 

The answer to that is categorically 100% no!! It's highlighting the opinion of a left wing Anarchist and is the equivalent of me using Donald ****ing Trump in my defence.I'd swear on oath that I'm 100% sure that I'm not the only idiot posting on here!!

 

People, actually Remainers, only said it was non binding after it didn’t go the way they thought it would or should.
Don’t recall anyone saying Referendums were only an opinion poll in 1973. Strange that something which attracted 17 million votes should be ignored but a party attracting less than 12 million votes will have 5 years to mess up the country or take into the sunny uplands.

 

That indeed seems to be the basis for Leon’s admiration for his views.

 

The House of Commons briefing note 07212 provides the best clarity
“ This Bill requires a referendum to be held on the question of the UK's continued membership of the European Union (EU) before the end of 2017. It does not contain any requirement for the UK Government to implement the results of the referendum“

none of which should be really relevant to the general election because everyone knew this beforehand (or could have found out if they were that bothered)

 

I'd lend you my sub Ernie but unfortunately it's in for service at the moment...

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I’m launching a party that will implement a binding referendum on removing VAR

landslide for me predicted.

 

They did say that, but ***breaking news*** sometimes politicians lie and sometimes they don’t have a majority that would enable them to do what they say anyway

 

Plenty of support for the Tories on here, and of course criticism of the opposition. But almost no discussion whatsoever about what the Tories are going to do which makes them worth voting in. This isn't a surprise, because it's exactly the same as the discourse you see all over the place.

Currently, this is a country which under Tory rule has people dying to austerity in one of the wealthiest countries in the world. They've been in power for 9 years and what we've got is an NHS at breaking point, people relying on food banks and all the rest of it.

Most alarmingly, they're making absolutely no promises to change any of this. People say politicians don't do what they say they'll do, and maybe that's true sometimes, but the Tories aren't even pretending they're going to alter their cruel policies. Just more of the same.

There is absolutely nothing positive about them. In this whole campaign all they've talked about, repeatedly, is a lie about wrapping Brexit up, which isn't possible, and that Jeremy Corbyn is bad.

It's depressing that they get so much support when they're so open that they have nothing to offer us.

There are opposition parties promising to have us work less and have more free time to enjoy our limited time alive. But people are going to vote against that and instead for the Tories who are offering nothing positive whatsoever.

 

Nope
The Govt chose for it not to be and Govt lawyers confirmed it wasn’t a long time before the referendum