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AlRawdah said:
There is no way there will be an independence referendum before the Brexit referendum, in that scenario. It would be bad politics to do otherwise.

And if we vote to leave again, you can hardly blame the Scots for giving independence a try.
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Yes and using Nicola Krankie's logic we can block it and demand a second referendum in the likely event the Nats win it.
 
AlRawdah said:
There is no way there will be an independence referendum before the Brexit referendum, in that scenario. It would be bad politics to do otherwise.

And if we vote to leave again, you can hardly blame the Scots for giving independence a try.
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The latest polls indicate that support for independence has dropped to 44%. Most Scots are nothing but hard headed realists. It is somewhat amusing to hear Sturgeon demanding that the way Scots voted in a UK referendum , a UK Scotland voted to remain in, should override the rest of the UK. There are as many people in Yorkshire as Scotland. Scotland can only remain in if they get independence. Then apply to join the EU and lose their independence. If they could meet EU requirements and they would have them.
 
AlRawdah said:
There is no way there will be an independence referendum before the Brexit referendum, in that scenario. It would be bad politics to do otherwise.

And if we vote to leave again, you can hardly blame the Scots for giving independence a try.
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you don't actually believe another referendum will be the end of it do you - the genie's out now - if it comes out as remain under Labour then as soon as they're out of power, we'll be out again - this is what happens when you promise a once in a lifetime referendum but refuse to honour the result - its all a huge **** up really which has become very tribal
 
Leon T Trout AFC said:
What about the 50,000 'more' nurses?
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Looking forward to paying thousands to have your gas boiler taken out and replaced and heating your house with more expensive electricity? Providing there is any electricity on a cold but wind free day. Of course only homeowners will be paying. Landlords will have to pay. So, more cost to be absorbed by ratepayers for all the houses where the council is the landlord.
 
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Half time score:

Scum bags 0 - 0 Hose bags

We may be heading for extra time.
Most likely penalties ( but talk of rule changes to permit one replay).

So far inconclusive. Hard to tell who's on top.
 
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Steven Toast said:
My daughter is ten months old and she could type out a better summary of this thread than that load of drivel.

Oooh, the grown ups. Get a ****ing grip. I'm not bitter or twisted about how much I earn, I'm pissed off that companies don't pay as much as they should when they take billions out of the system. Why wouldn't that piss you off when we have people using foodbanks, an overworked NHS and people struggling to stay alive? What kind of human being doesn't feel compassion for those people, doesn't want to help them or, perhaps worse, doesn't care at all? My vote isn't to improve my life, it's to improve the lives of those people.

All that dross about Corbyn has been debunked a billion times over. He never supported the IRA, he never laid a wreath in support of terrorists (that story has already been shown to be a fabrication, he was there for totally different reasons) and he never had to resort to the ****ty, underhanded tactics that his Tory counterparts have utilised.

As has already been said, BJ doesn't even care about his own kids, why the hell do you think he cares about you? What sort of maniac looks at the state of the country, as it is now, and thinks "yeah, four more years of this, please"? When you see a trend occurring, such as an increase in food bank usage,you try to buck it, not grease the slope to let it slide quicker. We've already fallen for the con that is Brexit, so as a nation we're already in the ****ing red in terms of ridiculous decisions, but voting that bunch of ****ers in again would take the biscuit and smash it with an enormous horse cock.

Stop listening to Facebook, stop looking at memes and stop hanging around in echo chambers, where bilge like you just posted gets regurgitated and strengthens this desperate belief that the Tories are what's best for the country forever and always.

You want to be on the same side as Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage, Katie Hopkins, Danny Tommo, Piers Morgan and other people generally considered to be the worst of us, fine. But I think I'll throw my lot in with the likes of Stephen Fry, Rowan Atkinson, David Attenborough, JK Rowling, Noam Chomsky, and Steve Coogan. You know, people who aren't enormous ****s.
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It's of no interest to me what or who celebrities vote for.Are you intimating that they are any more politically informed than a forklift driver on minimum wage? I just don't get why you're name dropping celebrity Labour supporters but disrespecting Tory ones as 'top arseholes'?
 
charon-the-ferryman said:
you don't actually believe another referendum will be the end of it do you - the genie's out now - if it comes out as remain under Labour then as soon as they're out of power, we'll be out again - this is what happens when you promise a once in a lifetime referendum but refuse to honour the result - its all a huge **** up really which has become very tribal
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Dunno. I didn’t make any comment about that, or even attempt to. I was talking about a Scottish independence referendum, in response to you talking about the same.
 
AlRawdah said:
Dunno. I didn’t make any comment about that, or even attempt to. I was talking about a Scottish independence referendum, in response to you talking about the same.
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You can see a situation, given the vagaries of the voting system, where a Referendum on independence would end up in favour of staying but the SNP would get the vast majority of the MPs. More people voted to leave the EU, though more voted Remain, than voted for the SNP in the General Election. Which begs the question, who exactly’s wishes are the SNP representing?
 
Barchullona said:
You can see a situation, given the vagaries of the voting system, where a Referendum on independence would end up in favour of staying but the SNP would get the vast majority of the MPs. More people voted to leave the EU, though more voted Remain, than voted for the SNP in the General Election. Which begs the question, who exactly’s wishes are the SNP representing?
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I should imagine it’s in their manifesto.
 
AlRawdah said:
I should imagine it’s in their manifesto.
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So, they want independence but the vote goes against it and more people want to leave the EU than vote for them but they could end up with over 50 MPs in the HOC waffling about independence and remaining in the EU. Not so long ago UKIP got 3 times the votes the SNP did and the Greens as many as the SNP and they only got 1 MP,each. Ridiculous.
 
Ric Glasgow said:
It's of no interest to me what or who celebrities vote for.Are you intimating that they are any more politically informed than a forklift driver on minimum wage? I just don't get why you're name dropping celebrity Labour supporters but disrespecting Tory ones as 'top arseholes'?
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I know you've earlier confessed that you're a thicko - but for clarity's sake, I would not only intimate, I would actually testify under oath that Chomsky is 99.9% likely to be more politically informed than a forklift driver on minimum wage.

If that helps.
 
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Barchullona said:
Looking forward to paying thousands to have your gas boiler taken out and replaced and heating your house with more expensive electricity? Providing there is any electricity on a cold but wind free day. Of course only homeowners will be paying. Landlords will have to pay. So, more cost to be absorbed by ratepayers for all the houses where the council is the landlord.
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It's going to happen eventually whether Corbyn or Johnson are voted in. Gas for household energy is antiquated tech now. The Viking link and North Sea link will be completed in a few years to provide hydroelectric substitution on the rare occasions that there is no wind production. It's estimated that household gas supplies will be switched off by the end of the 2020s.
 
Steven Toast said:
We're all hypocrites to some degree, as long as you don't pretend not to be it's not really an issue. I just find it a tad amusing that the people I listed on the right are literally the definition of a top arsehole, while the left wing ones I put are just generally annoying at best.
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Forgot Lily Allen

I win.
 
Sir Cheshire Ben said:
I think it’ll be a lot closer than the polls suggest. I think some high profiles will lose their seats. I think young voters will have a big say in the result. I think at least two Parties will be looking for new Leaders after Christmas.
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i think your mistaken. most the younger generation think comrade corbyn is a traitor.
 
charon-the-ferryman said:
Corbyn's the one who wants to renationalise everything and return us to the 70s - for some reason he calls that progressive politics
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Yes, true progress would be to go back to a time before the Empire was built, then we can just be known as 'England'. There'd be no more confusion about identity whereby people identify as 'European' or 'British'. Instead I will call myself 'White English'.
Of course, renationalisation would be crazy in such circumstances. Why would we want to become self-sufficient on a national level, as a platform for progress, when we can work much better as a tax haven for the world's wealthiest and lose our services to the highest overseas bidder?
 
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