General Election 2019

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General Election 2019

  • Labour

    Votes: 12 36.4%
  • Tory

    Votes: 9 27.3%
  • Lib. Dem

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • My legs because they support me

    Votes: 1 3.0%

  • Total voters
    33
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Just to place Scotland's deficit in context SH:
According to the net fiscal balances from 2018, the largest deficits were found in:
North West England
Scotland
Wales
West Midlands
North East England
Northern Ireland
East Midlands
South West England (overpoportionately Cornwall)
England as a whole

Surpluses were recorded in:
London
South East England
East of England

So Scotland is far from being the only supported area of the UK - in fact, most of the UK comes into this category. They are also 'assisted' areas of the EU - meaning that they receive EU money - sometimes in larger amounts compared to what comes out of Westminster. It appears, of course, that London and the South East is subsidizing the whole show until you realize that London is syphoning off money from the rest of the country. This happens because:
1. Most interest is paid in London.
2. Most profits are recorded in London
3. Most leasing is recorded in London
4. This is true of rents as well.
5. Credit card fees and bank charges will, largely, be recorded in London
6. The same applies to insurance

In addition:
- Most bosses are in London
- The same applies to the highest paid employees
- The same applies to most oligarchs
- Most wealth is in the South East, and so are those who charge high fees to service it.

So, incomes are highest in London. But the work needed to support all of this is done in the rest of the country for much lower wages. Wealth is sucked out of the country to be recorded in London. This hasn't actually changed because in the days of them thar satanic mills most of Britain's wealth was made in the north and spent in the south. All of which raises the question of who actually subsidizes who ? Basically London and the South East is parasitic on the rest of the UK ! This includes Scotland.
As to whether the EU would open it's arms to an independent Scotland - just wait and see ! They wouldn't accept Scotland if the UK were still members, but brexit opens up a new range of possibilities.

The difference is Scotland is the only area dependent on London to think of leaving the security of it's paymasters.
Scotland is not fiscally viable on its own. It does not have its own currency and will not be allowed to use sterling.
Most of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK, it does not make sense to be a separate country.
 
Too much focus on the personalities of the leaders.. They are all awful IMO..

Coupled with all the smearing on all sides.
And pretty relentless from you on here.. It really reduces the standard of any discussion.
Let's stay with what is best for our country and step out of the gutter.... As a country we deserve better

I explained clearly what is best for the country. The incompetence and character of the present Labour leader is a strong factor in the electorates choice of political party. I can see why you would not want to focus on Labour's current crop of leaders.

Corbyn loves the gutter, he is a manhole specialist!!!
 
The difference is Scotland is the only area dependent on London to think of leaving the security of it's paymasters.
Scotland is not fiscally viable on its own. It does not have its own currency and will not be allowed to use sterling.
Most of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK, it does not make sense to be a separate country.
But the question is who are it's paymasters SH. It is also an assisted European region and may receive as much from the EU as it does from Westminster. Some areas, such as Cornwall, receive more from Brussels than they receive from Westminster. I do not know if Scotland would be fiscally viable on its own - but I do not think that some countries in the East of Europe were 'viable' at the time of joining the EU - why should it be different in Scotland's case ? It has the same size as Austria and the same population as Denmark. The alarming side of the figures which I quoted lies in the extreme centralization of both economic and political power in the UK. which is, more or less, unique in the Western World.
 
I explained clearly what is best for the country. The incompetence and character of the present Labour leader is a strong factor in the electorates choice of political party. I can see why you would not want to focus on Labour's current crop of leaders.

Corbyn loves the gutter, he is a manhole specialist!!!
Once you go down that road you invite smearing of your esteemed leader.. And lo and behold any integrity is lost...
One of the very things the public complain most about is trust.. And the behaviour we have seen in Parliament recently..
 
Once you go down that road you invite smearing of your esteemed leader.. And lo and behold any integrity is lost...
One of the very things the public complain most about is trust.. And the behaviour we have seen in Parliament recently..

The anti democratic shenanigans by pro remain MPs has caused the public to lose trust in parliament, hopefully this election will purge most of those.
 
But the question is who are it's paymasters SH. It is also an assisted European region and may receive as much from the EU as it does from Westminster. Some areas, such as Cornwall, receive more from Brussels than they receive from Westminster. I do not know if Scotland would be fiscally viable on its own - but I do not think that some countries in the East of Europe were 'viable' at the time of joining the EU - why should it be different in Scotland's case ? It has the same size as Austria and the same population as Denmark. The alarming side of the figures which I quoted lies in the extreme centralization of both economic and political power in the UK. which is, more or less, unique in the Western World.

As the UK pays into the EU vastly more than it takes out it is simple maths to expect more funds will be available to invest in areas of the UK rather than our money going to Eastern Europe.
 
As the UK pays into the EU vastly more than it takes out it is simple maths to expect more funds will be available to invest in areas of the UK rather than our money going to Eastern Europe.
It is not a question of simple maths - a mathametician would look at all the existing data, and you have not offset your figures to allow for the cost of Brexit to the economy.
 
The anti democratic shenanigans by pro remain MPs has caused the public to lose trust in parliament, hopefully this election will purge most of those.
I think history has proved that radical right wing takeovers or 'Juntas' tend to invent their own narrow definition of 'democracy' and then deny that description to all their opponents - this. of course, leads to the use of expressions such as 'purging' of all who don't agree with you. This from the supporter of a government which is prepared to illegally close parliaments, and interfere in the independence of the judiciary - not to mention bribery, and suppression of the truth. How do you think the rest of the World is viewing this ?
 
It is not a question of simple maths - a mathametician would look at all the existing data, and you have not offset your figures to allow for the cost of Brexit to the economy.

It cannot be assumed at this stage there will be an overall cost for Brexit. The cost of not honouring the referendum result would be the total loss of respect for our democratic system you previously mentioned.
 
The anti democratic shenanigans by pro remain MPs has caused the public to lose trust in parliament, hopefully this election will purge most of those.
And the attempts by the tory government to subvert parliament... Very sad situation when the country is so split in this way.
The Brexit negotiations should never have been party political...
 
We need a government for all the people.. Not just a supremacist minority..

Agreed, Boris's government will be for the whole country. The alternative is to return back to strife when the union barons are effectively running the country with secondary picketing bringing the nation to a standstill. We do not want the 'sick man of Europe' tag back from the French.
 
Agreed, Boris's government will be for the whole country. The alternative is to return back to strife when the union barons are effectively running the country with secondary picketing bringing the nation to a standstill. We do not want the 'sick man of Europe' tag back from the French.
de pfeffel never has, never ever will be, a representative for anyone else other than himself. You know that. I know that. He knows that. The only difference is that I'm the only one of the three to admit it. He's a demonstrably confirmed liar and demonstrably not a nice person who has a demonstrably fascistic cabinet with which they intend to push through their own self serving, pocket-lining, shady deals through all aided and abetted by a billionaire press ownership that do not want to pay their taxes. That's what it's all about. Nothing more, nothing less.

You know what, I don't need this **** in my life right now - I'm outta here!
 
de pfeffel never has, never ever will be, a representative for anyone else other than himself. You know that. I know that. He knows that. The only difference is that I'm the only one of the three to admit it. He's a demonstrably confirmed liar and demonstrably not a nice person who has a demonstrably fascistic cabinet with which they intend to push through their own self serving, pocket-lining, shady deals through all aided and abetted by a billionaire press ownership that do not want to pay their taxes. That's what it's all about. Nothing more, nothing less.

You know what, I don't need this **** in my life right now - I'm outta here!

I'll put you down as a no then.......:emoticon-0100-smile
 
Agreed, Boris's government will be for the whole country. The alternative is to return back to strife when the union barons are effectively running the country with secondary picketing bringing the nation to a standstill. We do not want the 'sick man of Europe' tag back from the French.
Well I know the state of schools, the NHS, social care and children's services intimately..
The Tory party has stripped back funding for all these vital public services and in every case their proposed plans do not even get back to pre austerity levels..
And I haven't mentioned sure start centres, the police, probation, libraries, youth services etc etc.

All stripped back to the minimum...
 
Well I know the state of schools, the NHS, social care and children's services intimately..
The Tory party has stripped back funding for all these vital public services and in every case their proposed plans do not even get back to pre austerity levels..
And I haven't mentioned sure start centres, the police, probation, libraries, youth services etc etc.

All stripped back to the minimum...

The Tories did a good unenviable job of limiting the vast amounts of annual borrowed money since 2010. Remember Labour spent it all, the coffers were bare. Due to this fiscally responsible attitude we can now loosen the purse strings a bit, not irresponsibly as proposed by Labour.
The electorate have more confidence in the Tories than Labour to readdress those areas you have outlined.
 
The Tories did a good unenviable job of limiting the vast amounts of annual borrowed money since 2010. Remember Labour spent it all, the coffers were bare. Due to this fiscally responsible attitude we can now loosen the purse strings a bit, not irresponsibly as proposed by Labour.
The electorate have more confidence in the Tories than Labour to readdress those areas you have outlined.
Yes.. And the Tory government failed to tax the big corporations etc etc... And chose to bail out the banks at the expense of all the public services...
Didn't happen in any other major Western economy did it?
Not even an expression of regret.. And now all the misinformation and smearing of a party who want to return to pre 2008 levels and services that previous tory governments had no problem funding..
 
The Tories did a good unenviable job of limiting the vast amounts of annual borrowed money since 2010. Remember Labour spent it all, the coffers were bare. Due to this fiscally responsible attitude we can now loosen the purse strings a bit, not irresponsibly as proposed by Labour.
The electorate have more confidence in the Tories than Labour to readdress those areas you have outlined.
Actually any economist will tell you there is a thin percentage difference in the balance sheets of previous labour and Tory governments.
This cupboard is bare argument is ridiculous, the govt is bound to use its resources for the population... Labour had balanced books...
The electorate are misled by misinformation sadly...
This will go down as an era which British Politics will be ashamed of...
 
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