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[davecg69]

Jezza gave quite a decent stonewalling performance on Andrew Neill tonight. Neill is a bastard of an interviewer. Quite looking forward to Pfeffel getting the treatment.

sadly, I think Pfeffel will get an easier ride because Neil is associated directly with the Leave group and the right wing. Plus his bosses will fell him to go easy.
Personally I’d love to see him absolutely skewer Pfeffel on the spit of his lies, deceit, failure to achieve anything, his governments shoddy record over the last years, his islamaphobia, his relationship with Arcuri, the Russia report which he won’t release ..... the list goes on and on .....

 

[ChilcoSaint]

He was given a golden opportunity to end the perceived antisemitism in labour issue once and for all and apologise, but no he went back to the stock "Racism is bad" line. I'm not Jewish so I have no dog in this fight but it's obvious that the trust in labour from the Jewish community is eroding. Even if this is being whipped up for political gains (it is) it shows poor leadership skills in recognising the toxicity in letting this fester.

Boris will attempt to chum his way through a Interview with Andrew Neil, he'd get destroyed, and that's why I think he'll duck it.

The current political landscape is really poor, Conservative's are a parody of their "Nasty Party" label, Labour have been so slow to react to anything and the Lib Dems are still on the defensive over their role in the coalition.

Looking at the current leaders, makes you miss the likes of Major Brown and Ashdown.

I don’t think it’s at all true that ordinary Jewish Labour voters are losing trust in Corbyn. They know, probably better than most of us, why Jewish establishment figures constantly undermine anyone who criticises the Israeli state. As far as I can see antisemitism in the Labour Party, which is minuscule anyway, IS being dealt with as swiftly as possible, but the right wing press are hardly going to acknowledge that.
The line that some are pushing that Corbyn is himself antisemitic is, with his history, too ridiculous to comment on.

 

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[Kaito]

This sounds about right .....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50562518

 

[San Tejón]

660,000 voter registrations on the final day, the majority being below the age of 44, which could be good news for Labour.
Previous day around 366,000, again primarily from the younger age groups.

By my reckoning 4.8 million new registrations, with the large majority being from the younger age groups. I hope they exercise their right and make it to the polling station.
Oh and Johnson has made no attempt to get people to register, nor Swinson, because they knew that the majority of people missing from the electoral register were young.
They are afraid of the young.


https://www.gov.uk/performance/register-to-vote

 

[fatletiss]

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Very powerful

 

[SaintinSerbia]

Boris:

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[Archers Road]

sadly, I think Pfeffel will get an easier ride because Neil is associated directly with the Leave group and the right wing. Plus his bosses will fell him to go easy.
Personally I’d love to see him absolutely skewer Pfeffel on the spit of his lies, deceit, failure to achieve anything, his governments shoddy record over the last years, his islamaphobia, his relationship with Arcuri, the Russia report which he won’t release ..... the list goes on and on .....

To give Andrew Neil his due, he's an attack dog, and if he smells blood he’ll tear anyone apart. He’s obviously a Tory, but I doubt that means Boris will get an easy ride; Neil enjoys savaging interviewees, regardless of who they are.

That’s why Boris is ducking him.

 

[San Tejón]

Interesting read

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[Farked19]

Just watched the one my 96 year old neighbour calls ' The girl who runs Scotland'. I just wish we has one party leader as good as that.

 

[TheSecondStain]

Interesting read

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Interesting read? It's more like devastating. I have personally known people in the NHS who said that things were going downhill in the BlairBrown era. They didn't have words sufficent for the Cameron era. Can you imagine what this cock-up of a Tory party is considering now? Probably nothing less than an American system, which leads to charity hospitals, and a person's ability to pay to see whether they die or recover.

NOTE: BTW, I'm posting that statement to anyone I know who considers voting Tory.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Miriam Margolyse, not Corbyn’s biggest fan, defends him on antisemitism:

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[StJabbo1]

Interesting read? It's more like devastating. I have personally known people in the NHS who said that things were going downhill in the BlairBrown era. They didn't have words sufficent for the Cameron era. Can you imagine what this cock-up of a Tory party is considering now? Probably nothing less than an American system, which leads to charity hospitals, and a person's ability to pay to see whether they die or recover.

NOTE: BTW, I'm posting that statement to anyone I know who considers voting Tory.

I can't like that. It sounds right but be prepared to validate the source. A surreptitious video with a challenge to the Johnson something to express the disgust that he's held in. Need to get the digital evidence out there.

 

[TheSecondStain]

I can't like that. It sounds right but be prepared to validate the source. A surreptitious video with a challenge to the Johnson something to express the disgust that he's held in. Need to get the digital evidence out there.

In all honesty, I'm talking about specific people I know who need tipping over the edge. They already have all the evidence. They just need the push.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Interesting read? It's more like devastating. I have personally known people in the NHS who said that things were going downhill in the BlairBrown era. They didn't have words sufficent for the Cameron era. Can you imagine what this cock-up of a Tory party is considering now? Probably nothing less than an American system, which leads to charity hospitals, and a person's ability to pay to see whether they die or recover.

NOTE: BTW, I'm posting that statement to anyone I know who considers voting Tory.

Here’s some more to post to your friends, from the same source as Badger’s post:
Some of the issues to ask about:

• Ask them how they think the £20 billion in NHS cuts between 2010 and 2015 affected the quality of care the NHS could offer, and how another £22 billion in NHS cuts is affecting the quality of care the NHS can offer now.

• Ask them how they feel about the way the Tories introduced new rules to make it much easier for them to force the closure of NHS services without taking the views of local people or staff into consideration.

• Ask them whether waiting list times and record waiting times at A&E departments have been rising, and whether they agree with the Tory policy of simply scrapping any waiting list targets that are being missed and scrapping the four hour A&E target instead of actually doing anything to address the dreadful problems they've created.

• Ask them whether they think Theresa May's decision to scrap NHS bursaries had anything to do with the 31% decline in applications for nursing courses, and the shortfall of an astounding 70,000 nurses in the NHS, and whether they think the NHS recruitment crisis will get even worse as the supply of new nurses slumps dramatically as fewer and fewer new nurses enter the system.

• Ask them about NHS privatisation and how ever more NHS services being carved up and given away to profiteering private sector health companies like Serco, Virgin Health and (the major Tory party donors) Circle, reaching an all-time record of £9.2 billion worth of NHS privatisation in 2018.

• Ask them how they feel about the years of below inflation pay rises for NHS staff whilst MPs bagged a whopping great 10% pay rise for themselves.

• Ask them how they feel about the Tories' £4.6 billion cut in the social care budget, and what kind of effect that is having on the already overstretched hospitals that are having to pick up the pieces.

• Ask them whether the junior doctors were treated fairly and with respect during their confrontation with then-Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt.

• Ask them whether Jeremy Hunt's comments that people should just Google their health symptoms instead of seeking medical advice was a risk to public health.

• Ask them whether they share Theresa May's view that Jeremy Hunt was "an excellent health secretary".

• Ask them if they actually know anyone working in the NHS who has confidence in the pompous liar that Boris Johnson has put in charge now (Matt Hancock).

• Ask them about the £3 billion wasted on the massive 2012 top down reorganisation of the NHS that the Tories repeatedly promised not to do before they sneaked back into power in 2010.

• Ask them how they feel about the scores of A&E units, maternity wards, mental health facilities and NHS walk in centres that have been shut down by the Tories since 2010, and whether these closures have markedly increased demand elsewhere in the NHS.

• Ask them about the secret plans the Tories drew up to close even more A&E units, maternity wards and walk in centres.

• Ask them if their own primary care trust is in deficit.

• Ask them how they feel about the Tories going on about how much they care about mental health issues as they simultaneously slash the mental health budget and instruct their outsourcing contractors to specifically discriminate against people with mental health conditions.
• Ask them if they know any EU citizens who work in the NHS and whether they have left, or are thinking of leaving because of the threat of a ruinous Tory hard Brexit.
• Ask them whether the 92% decline in the number of NHS nurses arriving from EU countries is likely to exacerbate the NHS recruitment crisis.
• Ask them how they feel about the Chairman of Conservative Health saying that the only way the Tories could bring in charging for NHS services is if there was a feeling in the country that the NHS is "falling apart". and whether the ongoing crisis in the NHS might actually be part of a deliberate Tory strategy to bring the days of universal health care to an end.

• Ask them whether they feel that their colleagues are ever more stressed and overworked as they try to cope with increasing demand for services while funding and staffing levels are slashed year after year.

• Ask them whether they think the NHS can actually survive if the Tories carry on like this.

 

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[ChilcoSaint]

Summary of the leaked 451-page US-UK trade talks documents, including the rather sinister bullet point

"A promise by both sides to keep talks secret from the public."

No wonder the document was redacted

• The US pushing lower food standards on Britain post Brexit, including allowing imports of chlorine-washed chickens, less nutritional labelling on foods, and less protection for regional food like stilton cheese. The US offered to help the UK government ‘sell’ chlorine chicken to a sceptical British public and stated that parliamentary scrutiny of food standards is ‘unhelpful’. (2nd working group, pp42-43)

• The US banning any mention of climate change in a US-UK trade deal. (2nd working group, p17)

• US officials threatening UK civil servants that they would undermine US trade talks if they supported certain EU positions in international forums. (5th working group, p35)

• The US suggesting a ‘corporate court system’ in a US-UK deal, which would allow big business to sue the British government, in secret and without appeal, for anything they regard as ‘unfair’. Recent similar cases have included suing governments for trying to phase out use of coal. (4th working group, pp92-98, 5th working group, p35)

• US officials pushing a far reaching proposals on the digital economy, giving big tech companies like Facebook, Google and Amazon sweeping freedoms to move and use our online data, which would make taxation and regulation of these companies more difficult and prohibit Labour proposals for a public broadband service.(4th working group, pp99-100)

• Threats to public services like the NHS, via sweeping services liberalisation. The British government would need to exclude everything not subject to liberalisation in order to protect public services, while bringing formerly public services like the mail, or rail companies back into public ownership would be much harder. (3rd working group, pp41-42)

• US officials making a further threat to NHS in terms of medicine pricing policy, with special concern about Brits paying more for cancer medicines which the US feels Britain doesn’t pay enough for (4th working group, pp121-132). Trade negotiators have received special lobbying from pharmaceutical corporations as part of the trade talks. (5th working group, pp43-44)

• US officials demanding US experts and multinational corporations are able to participate in standard-setting in Britain post Brexit. (4th working group, p58-59)

• A promise by both sides to keep talks secret from the public. (2nd working group, p5 & 8)

 

[Osvaldorama]

Summary of the leaked 451-page US-UK trade talks documents, including the rather sinister bullet point

"A promise by both sides to keep talks secret from the public."

No wonder the document was redacted

• The US pushing lower food standards on Britain post Brexit, including allowing imports of chlorine-washed chickens, less nutritional labelling on foods, and less protection for regional food like stilton cheese. The US offered to help the UK government ‘sell’ chlorine chicken to a sceptical British public and stated that parliamentary scrutiny of food standards is ‘unhelpful’. (2nd working group, pp42-43)

• The US banning any mention of climate change in a US-UK trade deal. (2nd working group, p17)

• US officials threatening UK civil servants that they would undermine US trade talks if they supported certain EU positions in international forums. (5th working group, p35)

• The US suggesting a ‘corporate court system’ in a US-UK deal, which would allow big business to sue the British government, in secret and without appeal, for anything they regard as ‘unfair’. Recent similar cases have included suing governments for trying to phase out use of coal. (4th working group, pp92-98, 5th working group, p35)

• US officials pushing a far reaching proposals on the digital economy, giving big tech companies like Facebook, Google and Amazon sweeping freedoms to move and use our online data, which would make taxation and regulation of these companies more difficult and prohibit Labour proposals for a public broadband service.(4th working group, pp99-100)

• Threats to public services like the NHS, via sweeping services liberalisation. The British government would need to exclude everything not subject to liberalisation in order to protect public services, while bringing formerly public services like the mail, or rail companies back into public ownership would be much harder. (3rd working group, pp41-42)

• US officials making a further threat to NHS in terms of medicine pricing policy, with special concern about Brits paying more for cancer medicines which the US feels Britain doesn’t pay enough for (4th working group, pp121-132). Trade negotiators have received special lobbying from pharmaceutical corporations as part of the trade talks. (5th working group, pp43-44)

• US officials demanding US experts and multinational corporations are able to participate in standard-setting in Britain post Brexit. (4th working group, p58-59)

• A promise by both sides to keep talks secret from the public. (2nd working group, p5 & 8)

****ing hell.

And the idiots will still vote for them

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

****ing hell.

And the idiots will still vote for them

It'll be branded fake news and swept under the media carpet

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

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