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I have lots of friends and acquaintances who are business people and who are traditionally Tory voters because they have always believed the Tories are the party of the small business person, the shopkeepers and tenant farmers and small factory owners who are the backbone of the mixed economy which has been how our nation has existed since the Second World War.
The sad fact is that the Tory Party no longer represents them. The party is now funded by billionaire disaster capitalists and Russian oligarchs, and it no longer serves the interests of anyone in this country. Anyone who even considers voting Conservative in this election is a deluded idiot.
The sad fact is that the Tory Party no longer represents them. The party is now funded by billionaire disaster capitalists and Russian oligarchs, and it no longer serves the interests of anyone in this country. Anyone who even considers voting Conservative in this election is a deluded idiot.
Lots of deluded idiots out there by the look of it Chilco.....
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Boris is a buffoon, an awful leader, and a terrible PM, but he's not a moron. In an election that is effectively a referendum on an issue that is close to 50/50, with a first-past-the-post electoral system, if you get the vast majority of one half of the electorate and no such avatar of the other side emerges, you'll win big.
That poll seems like a little bit of an outlier, but a Tory majority looks pretty likely at this point.
That poll seems like a little bit of an outlier, but a Tory majority looks pretty likely at this point.
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Keep the NHS out of any trade deals.
Keep the NHS out of any trade deals.
In the interests of balance if Johnson ducks him he should go ahead anyway make all his anti-Tory points whilst facing an empty chair
I have to say that the Labour campaign has been quite shambolic. With FPTP it's essential that the Remain majority isn't fractured. If you add the percentages in all these polls Remain parties ( assuming Labour is) account for 53-55% of the vote. The LD's have done deals with Greens and PC but Labour insist on going it alone and have never succeeded in gaining more than 34%, in many polls much less. We are in the last chance saloon now, unless we have cooperation between Lab and LD we are going to get Pfeffel for five years barring miracles such as an assassination or, more likely looking at him these days, a coronary.
An assassination that's a miracle in your sad little world is it?
There are loads of dopey posts on this thread but you get its prize!
Can’t “like” that!
“Oh I’ll still vote Tory because I don’t trust that Jeremy Corbyn” FFS indeed. I don’t like Corbyn, I’ll make no bones about it. A Labour Party led by Kinnock, Callaghan, Blair, Brown .... would have wiped the floor with this sorry lot of liars and cheats years ago ..... but the current Labour Party with left wing led unions pulling the strings and an inept leader have gifted the Tories this country on a plate ...... to paraphrase Vin - what a ****ing triumph
It's crazy. The tory manifesto has absolutely no policies in it of any real note, yet they're still miles ahead.
Shows that relentless propaganda is all you really need.
Looking at the posts on here it is very evident that a lot of you do not like Johnson me included. It's even been suggest an assassination might help (ok tongue in cheek accepted) The truth is its Johnsons backers who we should be after IMO. Unfortunately I really don't think that will make that much difference as from the people I've been talking to they are of the opinion most just want Brexit done and dusted. They seem to have the opinion (rightly or wrongly) that Boris is the only one with a chance of securing this. They say the delay and mucking about is worse probably than actually coming out and be done with it. Although they add that a deal is better for the country. (This from a private meeting of business men I was invited to yesterday) I truly do not know how any of them voted in a referendum but it did open my eyes a bit. Is this why the tories are in the lead in the polls??
Thanks, Beddy. It’s absolutely terrifying to hear things like “Just Get It Done” and “We’ll be ok in the end” about Brexshit. If it’s such a great thing why have we lost so many jobs and businesses because of it? Why are the CBI warning against it? Why dye most economists saying it’s a bad thing? Why, even the ****ing Tories admit it’ll be ‘tough in the next few years”?
It’s likely to devastate the economy even more than this government has over the last 9 years and drive us into the arms (god save us) of the yanks. We cannot sit back and let Pfeffel and his chums destroy this country, but this seems to be what we’re doing. The relentless propaganda for Brexit and against anything socialist is scary. We are steps away from an autocracy and I fear if they get their way now, the way of life for the “ordinary” voter (ie the one without millions in the bank and in tax havens abroad) will never be the same.
This is THE most important election of the modern day and we’re sleepwalking towards the edge.
This is a comment from one if the most moderate, relatively well-off pensioners you’re likely to meet (blowing my own trumpet) who just wants to see fair social care, a decent nhs (and I don’t mind paying a bit more towards it as long as the money goes where it’s needed) and a reasonable way of life for all.
I used to be proud to be British. I’m embarrassed now .....
The Tories will win with a majority. Labour would have won but people cant take to Corbyn . The press have crucified him and people are believing every bloody word .
As a businessman you know very well that the phrase “Get Brexit Done” is about as misleading as you can get. Brexit will only start once we officially leave at the end of the transition period next December, because there is zero chance of having a Free Trade Agreement with the EU by then, or with any of the other countries in the world. These things take years, and at what price? Access to NHS markets for the USA drug companies? Free access to UK waters from EU fishing fleets?
I agree completely it’s Johnson’s backers who are to blame for all this, after all they paid for the electoral fraud that swayed the referendum, and they’ll probably have more than a hand in this election.
You don't do irony do you? I bet you love Mrs Browns Boys though.
On Labour's woes it's pretty obvious really. I personally like a left wing agenda but I recognise the problems with selling it to the wider electorate and the opportunities that it gives for attack by other parties. Momentum have been naive in the extreme and the payoff appears to be a 1983 type result. The only point of debate will be which one is the longer suicide note.
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Anyone will struggle with the massed ranks of the press, the media and even the BBC ranked against you, let alone lifelong Tory Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis.
The problem for Corbyn has always been that he is an administrator, not a celebrity. The cult of the personality is at the heart of our political system, and it doesn’t seem to matter what you say as long as you have a bit of charisma, the masses lap it up.
I just come on this thread to get depressed.
The British will vote for a liar ahead of a socialist every time. We are possibly some of the most stupid people on Earth.
The British will vote for a liar ahead of a socialist every time. We are possibly some of the most stupid people on Earth.
Agreed Chilco. The celebrity (mostly talentless) culture pervades everything these days and if you are not one of the 'in crowd' then people are not interested in you. Add to that a nasty right wing media and you get the perfect environment for a social disaster and a dictatorial government in all but name. The rich will keep getting ever more wealthy and the divide between those that have more than they can ever use, to those who have very little, will continue to grow. The words 'fair' or 'honest' don't seem to figure any more in this country.
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What Glasto Corbyn? "oh Jeremy Corbyn" Corbyn!, that Corbyn? To suggest he isn't part of a cult of personality is arguable at best.
I do feel for him, he's not a natural leader and I get the feeling he probably never really wanted to be one. More Kingmaker than King.
Yep .....
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