Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Goldhawk-Road]

Ok where to start

There was that woman in Iran who was being detained, and Boris incorrectly said she was she was training journalists in the area, he was foreign secretary at the time!

Suggested money going towards historic child abuse cases was being 'spaffed up the wall'

Insulted the whole nation of Papa New Guinea with cannibalism comment

Johnson said of Obama that he was part Kenyan and had a historic dislike of the UK

Last night straight out lied about the amount of hospitals

Claimed drunk Liverpool supporters were partly to blame for Hillsborough

He was sacked for making up a quote posted on the front page on the Times

Sacked again for lying about an affair

Threatened to attack a journalist for investigating one of his Eaton buddies

Well we know about all the straight out bigoted and ignorant comments he has made while in a job as a public figure. If most of us said those whilst representing our companies, the sack would follow.

Lied about 350 mill a week to the NHS

Said that Turkey was joining the EU, then lied about that

He broke rules in relation to financial interests 3 times in a year

Waxed 43 mill on the bridge across the Thames .... that never happened because it was a totally **** idea

Waxed 300+mill on illegal water cannons

Called homosexuals tank-topped bum boys, again whilst being a public figure

Said a Libyan city had a bright future after they cleared away the dead bodies, not exactly statesmen like

Dodged questions about cocaine use.. wonder why

I could go on the list in enormous, sometimes he was sacked, the rest he should have been

Most of those don't relate to "incompetence". Dodging questions about cocaine, Obama quote, gay quote, personal life etc are not issues of competence.

The one issue that was incompetent was the Iranian woman, Zaghari-Radcliffe. That was an example of Boris's laziness that I referred to, and his failure to prepare or read briefings. His team will have to be all over him like a rash in the future.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I have not seen this but if true at least he acted quickly. If it was Corbyn he would have promoted him and flooded social media message boards with deniers.

That's the issue, Ellers. The reason the Jewish community are so critical of Corbyn is not because he walks down Whitehall with an "I hate Jews" t-shirt, but because, at least until recently when the spotlight is well and truly on Labour and there's a GE on, Corbyn and his coterie just ignored the problem.

There will be racists in every party. The issue for the leader is how you deal with them.

 

[finglasqpr]

I doubt the British electorate see that as incompetence, which is why Boris is flying in the polls. It was a statement of intent that he wanted to get the UK out, but with a zombie parliament, the opposition kept preventing it happening. We'll see what Parliament looks like after December 12. I hope there's enough Brexit support on both sides of the House of Commons to get the deal through

I knew you would say that.

To my mind, it was an unrealistic statement of intent. A more competent politician wouldn't have made a promise to achieve something that was unrealistic all along. I think his first action as PM should have been to call the general election immediately as it was clear then that the current parliament was intent on blocking any deal.

I hope a deal goes through too as no deal would be disastrous for everybody.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I respect your position Goldy, I dont agree with it but I respect it. It's a lot easier debating with you than the slippery Eel. I'm personally hoping labour win, I dont think they will, so i can only hope for a hung parliment. Not ideal but it might least enable us to scrutinise this deal, as after all, it's our future!

Ellers, you and Stainsey pretty much have a slippery-fest together imo

 

[Willhoops]

Most of those don't relate to "incompetence". Dodging questions about cocaine, Obama quote, gay quote, personal life etc are not issues of competence.

The one issue that was incompetent was the Iranian woman, Zaghari-Radcliffe. That was an example of Boris's laziness that I referred to, and his failure to prepare or read briefings. His team will have to be all over him like a rash in the future.

The Bridge, the water cannons, getting fired for making **** up. I'd also consider lack of diplomacy and lack of prep incompetence as well in his position

 

[bobmid]

That's the issue, Ellers. The reason the Jewish community are so critical of Corbyn is not because he walks down Whitehall with an "I hate Jews" t-shirt, but because, at least until recently when the spotlight is well and truly on Labour and there's a GE on, Corbyn and his coterie just ignored the problem.

There will be racists in every party. The issue for the leader is how you deal with them.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...s/107896/top-muslim-group-slams-boris-johnson

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I knew you would say that.

To my mind, it was an unrealistic statement of intent. A more competent politician wouldn't have made a promise to achieve something that was unrealistic all along. I think his first action as PM should have been to call the general election immediately as it was clear then that the current parliament was intent on blocking any deal.

I hope a deal goes through too as no deal would be disastrous for everybody.

The reason he didn't frame it in any other way, was that he wanted to put into the EU's minds that there could be a no deal, and therefore they should focus on giving him an improved deal. And it worked. Everyone was saying - is he going to do something clever to get around the Surrender Act?

Of course, it would have been better not to have had the Surrender Act at all. I have a feeling a lot of those MP's that voted for it, won't be around from next month on

 

[QPR Oslo]

I doubt he'd get that through parliament, depending how the new parliament is constituted. Can't see a huge Remain majority there after December 12

If Corbyn is in a position to be making a new deal with the EU, he may well be able to get it through Parliament.

 

[finglasqpr]

That's the issue, Ellers. The reason the Jewish community are so critical of Corbyn is not because he walks down Whitehall with an "I hate Jews" t-shirt, but because, at least until recently when the spotlight is well and truly on Labour and there's a GE on, Corbyn and his coterie just ignored the problem.

There will be racists in every party. The issue for the leader is how you deal with them.

So, how is Boris dealing with his own personal islamophobia problem? Does he kick himself out of the Tory party or is just a lad having a laugh by calling people letterboxes?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

The Bridge, the water cannons, getting fired for making **** up. I'd also consider lack of diplomacy and lack of prep incompetence as well in his position

He's generally regarded as having been a decent Mayor of London. There are projects that get pulled or lose money. It's a fact of life. The water cannons were rash - May pulled the rug. We're not talking major money here.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

If Corbyn is in a position to be making a new deal with the EU, he may well be able to get it through Parliament.

It would be a coalition on tight numbers. There are Leavers in his own party.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

So, how is Boris dealing with his own personal islamophobia problem? Does he kick himself out of the Tory party or is just a lad having a laugh by calling people letterboxes?

It's not Islamaphobic to say that a piece of material makes people look like letterboxes. His article was actually defending the right of Muslim women - at least, those few that want to - to wear it

 

[Willhoops]

He's generally regarded as having been a decent Mayor of London. There are projects that get pulled or lose money. It's a fact of life. The water cannons were rash - May pulled the rug. We're not talking major money here.

Oh come on, to raise the projects themselves were incompetence, I get what your saying and respect your opinion but you have to concede his massive number of undiplomatic gaffs also show his incompetence, being that a major part of his job is being a diplomat.

 

[QPR Oslo]

It would be a coalition on tight numbers. There are Leavers in his own party.

As there are Remainers in the Tory party, probably even in the new Parliament. You are counting chickens anyway.

 

[finglasqpr]

It's not Islamaphobic to say that a piece of material makes people look like letterboxes. His article was actually defending the right of Muslim women - at least, those few that want to - to wear it

mmmmmmmm defending the indefensible.

Ask Muslim women if they feel being called letterboxes from a man of such high standing is acceptable. I'm sure you will get a very different response. In fact, I have seen many muslim women interviewed who have said attacks on their community have increased as a direct result of what he said. Politicians should not speak in this language of any community unless they want to be part of the NF, EDL, and the likes.

 

[Willhoops]

mmmmmmmm defending the indefensible.

Ask Muslim women if they feel being called letterboxes from a man of such high standing is acceptable. I'm sure you will get a very different response. In fact, I have seen many muslim women interviewed who have said attacks on their community have increased as a direct result of what he said. Politicians should not speak in this language of any community unless they want to be part of the NF, EDL, and the likes.

Exactly this.

https://news.sky.com/story/significant-spike-in-islamophobia-after-johnson-comments-11800373

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Oh come on, to raise the projects themselves were incompetence, I get what your saying and respect your opinion but you have to concede his massive number of undiplomatic gaffs also show his incompetence, being that a major part of his job is being a diplomat.

Agree about him being verbally gaff prone in the past, but much of it has had very little significance, apart from the Iranian example. Balance that against the fact that the world and his wife said he'd never get the backstop removed from the Withdrawal Agreement, and he did just that.

As I say, his record as Mayor of London was generally good. The question is, whether the public see a foot-in-mouth merchant like Boris as incompetent. I don't think they do - but he can't afford to have another Iranian-type issue

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

As there are Remainers in the Tory party, probably even in the new Parliament. You are counting chickens anyway.

You're wrong there. Boris has kicked out virtually all of the Tory Remainers, and made his MP's sign up to his agreement

 

[finglasqpr]

Exactly this.

https://news.sky.com/story/significant-spike-in-islamophobia-after-johnson-comments-11800373

There you go and people on here are trying to defend what he said. Unbelievable.

 

[Willhoops]

Agree about him being verbally gaff prone in the past, but much of it has had very little significance, apart from the Iranian example. Balance that against the fact that the world and his wife said he'd never get the backstop removed from the Withdrawal Agreement, and he did just that.

As I say, his record as Mayor of London was generally good. The question is, whether the public see a foot-in-mouth merchant like Boris as incompetent. I don't think they do - but he can't afford to have another Iranian-type issue

Think that's about as close as we will get to agreeing, as demonstrated above his actions have had consequences, and for a man in his position he can't afford to be doing this... a lot...