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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Willhoops

    Willhoops Well-Known Member

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    Nige would be ****ed if he had to deal with the consequences of promises and actually having to deal with parliamentary process, his rhetoric has always been shout from the sidelines. Even if he managed to get in as part of a minority government arrangement he’d just blame the conservatives when things go tits up, the mans a total fraud and charlatan who is seemingly happy enough making a bucket of cash from this whole debacle.
     
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  2. ELLERS

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    zzzzzzzz
    lets see on the 12th.
     
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  3. ELLERS

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    so he will be just like the SNationalistP and Labour then.
     
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  4. Staines R's

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    I think you are being pretty deluded there Cologne.
     
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  5. Turkish" Premier" Hoops

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    I’m surprised you can manage that in all honesty, haven’t you got some crayons you should be eating instead of bothering normal intelligent people, and again I reiterate, you really are a f*cking tit.
     
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  6. Turkish" Premier" Hoops

    Turkish" Premier" Hoops Well-Known Member

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    And that is just about the biggest pile of ****e I have ever read on this thread
     
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  7. Goldhawk-Road

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    The only reason to be pessimistic is if we thought the EU would walk away and refuse to trade with us. It won't. We're a big customer and the Eurozone needs all the help it can get at the moment. The big power, Germany, is in recession. We'll trade and find our equilibrium with the EU. And we'll be more outlooking when it comes to trading with the rest of the world, which is the growing area. And let's look at trading with countries like Vietnam that need help.We can replicate or improve on what the EU has given them, and tailor it to our specific needs.

    As to the Brexit Party, I think they're in a difficult position. They realistically won't want to stand against Tories and lose the Boris Johnson deal. I think there'll be some arrangement with the Tories, and expect the Tories to have by far the upper hand
     
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  8. Goldhawk-Road

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    please log in to view this image
     
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  9. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    I am certainly being optimistic Staines ! Though the fact remains that the Tories will be concentrating on a Brexit election, whereas Labour will be trying to broaden the debate and their success will depend on how well they do this. It is not a Brexit election where a party should be allowed to rule Britain for 5 years based on this alone - the people deserve more than that. People should realize that giving the Tories a majority means that Brexit will probably be dried and dusted in 3 months - but the flip side is that they would be living under the most right wing Tory administration ever for the remaining 4 and a half plus years. I hope that this is in people's minds when they go to the polls. It's also not just optimism to suggest that Labour will start doing better once the election campaign itself begins - this has happened at the last 2. The positive side of this is that they will now be forced to write down their Brexit policy in black and white - which involves getting off the fence. Potentially they have the majority on their side - the Tory choice of Boris's deal or a hard Brexit does not have a majority in the country - neither does the Lib/Dem policy of withdrawing Article 50 completely - both are extreme positions, whereas Labour is sitting in the middle ie. let the people decide. The only disadvantage to Labour's position is that it drags the Brexit process out longer - but it is worth going the extra mile on this.
     
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  10. colognehornet

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    The EU is not going to refuse to trade with you Goldie, it will just be under different conditions. If you want to enjoy completely free trade, as now, it would be subject to an equally free movement of people. Say to them 'we want your money but we don't want you' and it isn't going to work. Quite apart from what the EU actually agrees on this European customers will give preference to European goods - if the same product as the UK. is offering is also being offered by another EU country then they will choose the latter.
     
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  11. Staines R's

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    I wish I could share you’re optimism C. Instead I see another 5 years of Tory rule :(

    Unless of course we have a revolution in the meantime ;)
     
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  12. Willhoops

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    nope that’s wrong zzzzzzzz
     
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  13. Willhoops

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    Viva la revolution, a revolution where you actually require policies and detail behind the policies as that would see the Tory’s and Brexit party ****ed.
     
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    Nah, I was just thinking an armed and violent one :)
     
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    im sure the men of the people Boris, Nige and Mogg would be the first to take up arms to oppose the revolution <laugh>
     
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    I was going to invite you to our next QPR not606 afternoon tea. Uber makes his own jams.
     
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  17. GoldhawkRoad

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    There will be immigration from the EU to the UK, Cologne, just not of right. If the jobs are here to be filled, fine. I just don't believe that your average EU shopper wanting a nice piece of Stilton will say, ah, no, I'll settle for Danish blue!
     
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    This thread should seriously worry any Labour supporters, some detailed analysis...

     
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    According to an Ipsos mori survey taken in 16 different countries and based on online surveys of adults under 65 there was a tendency which suggests an unofficial boycott of British products after Brexit. The Italians were the most inclined to this at 43% from the sample, followed by the Spanish 37% and the Germans 33%. This is not to say that it is a conscious boycott just that if the same product is on offer from another EU country they will take it. British car exporters are noticing this trend already. As for visitors - how are you going to control those so called 'undesirables' coming in without also disadvantaging the millions of EU tourists who visit London every year ? Actually about 20 million people who come, spend their money, and then go - are they still going to come to a place which does not make them feel welcome ? No - they will choose Paris or somewhere else for their long weekend. Then there is the case of all those Americans, Japanese etc. who can come to London as part of a general European trip and just hop from one to the other. The consequences of Brexit could be catastrophic for London's tourist industry. As for the millions which the UK currently makes from language course tourism you can forget it - most of the language schools are already relocating to Ireland or Malta.
     
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  20. Ninj

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    I just wonder how many countries will go the way of Greece (if the UK does exit as voted for in 2016) as I am aware that Italy and Spain as mentioned above have financial problems and Germany are in recession..
     
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