Bruce IN or OUT?

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Bruce IN or OUT?

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I really, genuinely cannot work out how Charnley and Ashley are allowed to say nothing on the subject, or how their combined brain works on it. I really, honestly can't - it makes no sense, at all. Not even the 'patsy' line makes any sense; surely anyone has their ideas, nobodys turning up to say "I'll do whatever you tell me, just gizza job", not even Bruce. These people don't know each other, he has to talk about the plans and how he intends to get the club to survive under whatever restraints, right? He had to have some kind of plan, no matter how half-baked, that was effectively agreed with and adhered to by Lee Charnley and Michael Ashley, so what is it? Why aren't we allowed to know?

The Chron published a list of 12 stats from Wyscout that basically showed NUFC , Bruce and the "scouting" to be a shambles.

- Why Steve Bruce given his record?
- Why stand by him, when it's clear he's simply living up to exceptionally low expectations?
- Why this scouting model, when it failed so badly in the past (bar ONE season)?
- Why inaction when relegation looks so certain?
- What they think about so many parallels drawn with the McLaren, and latterly Carver, reign?
- Why they're playing such a risky game when there's more at stake than ever (overdraft against future earnings)?
- Why there's no attempt to sell the club?
- Subsequently what, exactly, does Michael Ashley own this club for?
- What is Lee Charnley's goals and expectations for this football club?

I am not a journalist, but I do not understand in the slightest how the owner and MD (i.e., the entire board) can avoid accountability for the mess they continually create. Is there no legal recourse? Is there not something more that can be said about the degradation of the area, or other outside factors?

Does anybody at all know how they get away with it, and what can be done about it? The only 'solution' I can see is for a group to literally go and seek investment themselves. But what experience does anyone have of that?
 
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They are allowed to say nothing because you can't force someone to do an interview - they cancel Fans meetings every season and unless Ashley's buddies at Sky are reading from his script he doesn't have to say **** all to anyone - I'm pretty sure the MP Omni Chackanuka or whatever her name is has written a letter to him with no response, I'm sure the Queen could write to him and he'd just wipe his arse with it.

Love the club and will always follow them but I'd never dream of putting another penny of my money in to it while Ashley is there - the sheer arrogance and disregard for the club and its fans is quite frankly almost impressive. He literally and figuratively flips us off at every opportunity yet people still turn up.

Forget the money the club makes from us fans - if you went to a pub every weekend for a £5 dinner and suddenly the ownership changes - to begin with its all fine and dandy, free pints and lock-ins - but then the host/ess starts calling you a **** all afternoon, the food was average at best and there was no attempt to improve you wouldn't go anymore would you, even if you had been for years.
 
Charlie Dogscock said:
Did he really? He just made them play to a coherent game plan.

Our strike force was of Robson and Perez was on fire last year, and the first thing that happens is that gets immediately dismantled. Bruce gets brand new and inexperienced strike force, so let's forgive Bruce for the lack of goals for the moment.

But we had an abundance of decent defenders who were all playing well and organised last season... and in just a few months, Bruce has managed to convince these defenders to stop being an organised unit, to being a bunch of comatose clowns who let the opposition score for fun.

Diane is the only one in midfield missing from last season, yet Bruce has managed to make it look like our entire midfield isn't there. Even Longstaff who was never anything below outstanding last year, is starting to become ****e.

Rafa did well, but a bit less of the Rafa is a miracle worker and more of Bruce hasn't got a bloody clue, please.
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So you agree that with the exception of the new £60m strike force, it's pretty much the same team?

So if Bruce is average at best, then Benitez must have worked miracles.

Thanks.
 
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G4rdToonArmy said:
They are allowed to say nothing because you can't force someone to do an interview - they cancel Fans meetings every season and unless Ashley's buddies at Sky are reading from his script he doesn't have to say **** all to anyone - I'm pretty sure the MP Omni Chackanuka or whatever her name is has written a letter to him with no response, I'm sure the Queen could write to him and he'd just wipe his arse with it.

Love the club and will always follow them but I'd never dream of putting another penny of my money in to it while Ashley is there - the sheer arrogance and disregard for the club and its fans is quite frankly almost impressive. He literally and figuratively flips us off at every opportunity yet people still turn up.

Forget the money the club makes from us fans - if you went to a pub every weekend for a £5 dinner and suddenly the ownership changes - to begin with its all fine and dandy, free pints and lock-ins - but then the host/ess starts calling you a **** all afternoon, the food was average at best and there was no attempt to improve you wouldn't go anymore would you, even if you had been for years.
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Its a good analogy but sadly there are plenty other pubs to choose from who will happily take your money from you. There are of course many other football clubs that we could choose from but that's not really how it works is it?
 
Hugh Briss said:
So you agree that with the exception of the new £60m strike force, it's pretty much the same team?

So if Bruce is average at best, then Benitez must have worked miracles.

Thanks.
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Yes I agree that it's basically the same team, the price tag of the strike force is irrelevant though, Almiron was here last season, so what's actually happened is we've lost 2 free scoring strikers, and replaced them with a young and inexperienced striker.

Ranieri worked a miracle when he won the league with Leicester, Benitez didn't work a miracle, he got a very average team to play well.

"Average" is a massive complement to Bruce, he ain't average, he's ****ing ****. Bruce inherited an average team, lost aforementioned average team's main strikers, and then removed any semblance of tactics, game plan or organisation from this very average team.

Benitez made an average team play well, the other made an average team look like the worst in the league.....quite a predictable outcome really, considering one's a world class manager, and the other's a jounreyman duffer who got sacked by the mackems.

Thanks.
 
Charlie Dogscock said:
Yes I agree that it's basically the same team, the price tag of the strike force is irrelevant though, Almiron was here last season, so what's actually happened is we've lost 2 free scoring strikers, and replaced them with a young and inexperienced striker.

Ranieri worked a miracle when he won the league with Leicester, Benitez didn't work a miracle, he got a very average team to play well.

"Average" is a massive complement to Bruce, he ain't average, he's ****ing ****. Bruce inherited an average team, lost aforementioned average team's main strikers, and then removed any semblance of tactics, game plan or organisation from this very average team.

Benitez made an average team play well, the other made an average team look like the worst in the league.....quite a predictable outcome really, considering one's a world class manager, and the other's a jounreyman duffer who got sacked by the mackems.

Thanks.
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I understand that you hate Bruce, and you're not keen on Benitez, but the full scale of just how poor this squad is won't be realised until our impending relegation.
Newcastle United will be needing a miracle after that!
Cheers.
 
Hugh Briss said:
I understand that you hate Bruce, and you're not keen on Benitez, but the full scale of just how poor this squad is won't be realised until our impending relegation.
Newcastle United will be needing a miracle after that!
Cheers.
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I hate Bruce, I loved Benitez though, and I was gutted when he left. I just think that saying Benitez worked miracles is an exaggeration; if he'd won the league with the current squad, it would be comparable with the miracle Ranieri performed at Leicester.

Since we've been back in the Prem we've had a lower-midtable/relegation struggle team, in the hands of the best manager we can get (Benitez) this squad could finish as high as tenth, in the hands of some crap championship level journeyman duffer (Bruce), this squad will finish bottom of the league.

Kindest Regards.
 
Charlie Dogscock said:
I hate Bruce, I loved Benitez though, and I was gutted when he left. I just think that saying Benitez worked miracles is an exaggeration; if he'd won the league with the current squad, it would be comparable with the miracle Ranieri performed at Leicester.

Since we've been back in the Prem we've had a lower-midtable/relegation struggle team, in the hands of the best manager we can get (Benitez) this squad could finish as high as tenth, in the hands of some crap championship level journeyman duffer (Bruce), this squad will finish bottom of the league.

Kindest Regards.
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Okay, how about “minor” miracle? Not a crowd puller but would definitely get a few dozen watching?
 
Im sensing you lot are unhappy with Bruce. I must admit i thought he'd do alright . Plenty of time for him to get it right though.
 
cronemeister said:
Its a good analogy but sadly there are plenty other pubs to choose from who will happily take your money from you. There are of course many other football clubs that we could choose from but that's not really how it works is it?
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You can still love your pub while drinking elsewhere mate, maybe a smaller local where the pints are cheaper and has a better atmosphere but instead of being made a mug of by your pubs landlord you can go and drink in a smaller one and just keep up to date on the goings on at your pub on Saturday evenings with your mates Gary, Ian and Alan on TV 10.30pm-11.45.

Might just be me being a massive football junkie but I go watch games at League 1 level all the way down to Isthmian Premier League and volunteer as a coach grassroots. Would rather help those clubs out buying a ticket, pint and a burger than give my money to Ashley even though NUFC are my club and I bleed black and white.

At the Isthmian Club, my family company sponsor the club (I set up the deal which was an amazing experience) and everyone knows us there, we get a "box" which is a temporary unit where they serve builders tea and biscuits but they always save my my favorite biscuit if they know I'm coming in at HT. It's a much more enjoyable experience.
 
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****ing out, how obvious do you need it?

The man admitted he's nicking Rafa's tactics and reckons the players can't play any different.

Basically, zero plan B. A win against Manure doesn't change that.
 
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I don't see us ever improving under Bruce, but I think the next month or two will let us know whether he can keep us up this season and if we lose to Bournemouth and don't get 4 points from villa and wolves he needs to go
 
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