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2 pennth said:
So if I understand your thoughts correctly- MP's are allowed to do just what they want whenever they want by disregarding what their constituents elected them to do. That being the case no point in having elections or referendum. Let's just have anarchy, O'h just a minute
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Not my thoughts. That’s the British constitution. If their constituents aren’t happy they vote them out at the next election.
 
milkyboy said:
Not my thoughts. That’s the British constitution. If their constituents aren’t happy they vote them out at the next election.
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At the next election when the damage has been done. A bit like closing the stable door etc
 
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milkyboy said:
The last democratic vote in this country was an election, where she was elected an mp - mps are representatives who can vote however they like.

It’s referenda that have always been regarded as unconstitutional... at least until they brought an act in to say how they could be used. Main reason for not having them is to never let the public decide on something important that they don’t understand the repercussions of. Basically you only hold a referendum if

A - you are totally sure of the result.. or B
B - you genuinely don’t care too much what the result is

Most are A... and they are almost always used purely for political gain as Cameron did by trying to stifle UKIP.

Cameron called it wrong. So now you have a democratic vote... the referendum... at odds with the views of a democratically elected parliament.

MPs themselves aren’t being undemocratic. And the idea that all mp’s wanting to remain are acting purely in self interest is disingenuous, no matter how many times it’s repeated.

What we have is a Constitutional crisis, caused by this conflict of interest and maybe, given the strength of feeling on the subject it’s time to review the whole parliamentary process.

Maybe there should be some alternative systems of government proposed, or at the very least maybe stricter guidelines on enacting of referenda... over/ruling parliament etc.

And we could have a referendum on that. And then block it in parliament. <laugh>
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Well I can honestly say I’ve never heard so much humbug in all my life.

Apologies to anyone offended by the inflammatory word ‘humbug’.
 
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LeedsLover said:
Majority of people back Boris, includes new polls and remainers changing to leave.

Thank you Corbynated chicken and his chickettes, I said it would happen, but Corbyn won't listen to anyone, cos he's a communistic dumb dumb.

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Except of course they don't.

Looking at the latest comres poll - actually online rather than say an image on a dodgy youtube video shows no record of 60% of the population supporting Boris' plan.

You do however find that;

60% say that parliment has had enough time debating brexit and we should leave the EU.


Also in the same poll some things you don't mention

That 31% of people would be pleased if what was to happen next was we held a 2nd ref,
followed by 28% that we remained in the EU. 21% of people would be pleased if we left with a deal and again only 21% of people would be pleased if we left without a deal.
So not 60% of people supporting Boris' plan.

By a ratio of about two to one, the British public agree that the Supreme Court was right to rule that Boris Johnson’s prorogation of parliament was unlawful (50% agree vs 29% disagree).
So again not supporting Boris' plan and hardly as if recalling backfired.

https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/the-telegraph-snap-poll-september-2019/

https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/The-Telegraph-Tables-Snap-Poll-Sept-2019.pdf



Here's a couple more polls to knock yourself out with

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dbc said:
Except of course they don't.

Looking at the latest comres poll - actually online rather than say an image on a dodgy youtube video shows no record of 60% of the population supporting Boris' plan.

You do however find that;

60% say that parliment has had enough time debating brexit and we should leave the EU.


Also in the same poll some things you don't mention

That 31% of people would be pleased if what was to happen next was we held a 2nd ref,
followed by 28% that we remained in the EU. 21% of people would be pleased if we left with a deal and again only 21% of people would be pleased if we left without a deal.
So not 60% of people supporting Boris' plan.

By a ratio of about two to one, the British public agree that the Supreme Court was right to rule that Boris Johnson’s prorogation of parliament was unlawful (50% agree vs 29% disagree).
So again not supporting Boris' plan and hardly as if recalling backfired.

https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/the-telegraph-snap-poll-september-2019/

https://www.comresglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/The-Telegraph-Tables-Snap-Poll-Sept-2019.pdf



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Humbug!!
 
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