Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Steelmonkey]

Labour ripping themselves apart ahead of their Conference, with Momentum supporters trying to oust Watson and the position of Deputy Leader. Watson then accusses them of a Sectarian attack on the party, ! As if Labour don't have enough issues going, yet another go at shooting off their own feet - what a ****ing joke, they don't know their own arse from their elbow

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Erm yes of course the Irish border should have been discussed. Possible and probable outcomes of agreeing to leave with a deal or no deal. I think that would have been very important. As fo the british people not liking being bullied? Who does enjoy being bullied? I dont just think its solely us Brits. I for one havent seen any form of Bullying towards our country. Infact I would go as far as saying that statements like that are part of the problem. History shows that if anything, we have been the country who does the bullying regarding the British Empire. This mentality is dangerous. We are in this mess because we did it to ourselves. A vote was cast and leave narrowly won bu win they did. Parliment couldn't then agree a strategy for leaving despite a deal being agreed with the 27. We go back and forth and as Col says, in circles again and again. This is not the EUs fault its ours. But our arrogance states that we have to blame somebody else for our **** ups. It's the easiest thing to do so basically I think your post is absolute bollocks mate (in the nicest possible way)
Would you vote in an election if no parties had manifestos?

Absolute bollocks to you too, Bob. In the nicest possible way, of course.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Spot on that Bob. I think the main problem is many people who want to Leave still consider Europe as the opponent, Boris shows this in his language, rather than neighbours who it would be best if we could work with for shared benefits, rather than continually demanding special treatment as we have done with the EU.

Your post is absolute bollocks, Os. In the nicest possible way.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Easy to say with hindsight but we could and should have agreed a deal (as we did) and put that to a referendum if we were going to have one at all. Don’t think there’s a chance in hell Leave would’ve won under those circumstances though rather than us plebs being presented every Leave option as the one we’d be going for.

I said aeons ago that the right thing to have done was to have held a GE with a party campaigning on a platform of leaving the EU. We had that, but they were called UKIP and were unelectable.

Frankly, I wouldn’t have had a problem had the Referendum come out in favour of Remain by one vote, but my preference was to leave the EU.

It was my view that the Referendum was the only opportunity in my lifetime to vote Leave so had to take it.

It doesn’t matter what who knew or didn’t know. Both sides ran campaigns honesty or dishonestly, factual or emotional. Referendums and GE take no account of people’s intelligence or anything else. They just get to put an X somewhere.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I said aeons ago that the right thing to have done was to have held a GE with a party campaigning on a platform of leaving the EU. We had that, but they were called UKIP and were unelectable.

Frankly, I wouldn’t have had a problem had the Referendum come out in favour of Remain by one vote, but my preference was to leave the EU.

It was my view that the Referendum was the only opportunity in my lifetime to vote Leave so had to take it.

It doesn’t matter what who knew or didn’t know. Both sides ran campaigns honesty or dishonestly, factual or emotional. Referendums and GE take no account of people’s intelligence or anything else. They just get to put an X somewhere.

Yeah I don’t knock anyone for taking their chance but only one side was accountable for any lies. Think a massive factor was people using it as a protest vote against Cameron too.

Just about everyone seems to accept now that it’s a damage limitation exercise from an economic point of view but a Norway-type relationship feels like both a compromise in a tight and frankly inadequate binary referendum and the least worst option for the people who will suffer. Apart from the tiny percentage of people with a vested interest in crashing the currency further, it’s still mental anyone wants to pursue no deal. It’s a cult mentality.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Yeah I don’t knock anyone for taking their chance but only one side was accountable for any lies. Think a massive factor was people using it as a protest vote against Cameron too.

Just about everyone seems to accept now that it’s a damage limitation exercise from an economic point of view but a Norway-type relationship feels like both a compromise in a tight and frankly inadequate binary referendum and the least worst option for the people who will suffer. Apart from the tiny percentage of people with a vested interest in crashing the currency further, it’s still mental anyone wants to pursue no deal. It’s a cult mentality.

Look out, here comes some more bollocks.

All politicians are liars and none can be trusted.

 

[bobmid]

Absolute bollocks to you too, Bob. In the nicest possible way, of course.

Good man

 

[bobmid]

Look out, here comes some more bollocks.

All politicians are liars and none can be trusted.

We can trust Boris. The PM wouldnt lie

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Look out, here comes some more bollocks.

All politicians are liars and none can be trusted.

I can’t agree with that. There are plenty of honest politicians not in this for personal gain or status and probably earning far less than they could in other professions. It helps justify certain lies if people are told everyone is lying.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

I can’t agree with that. There are plenty of honest politicians not in this for personal gain or status and probably earning far less than they could in other professions. It helps justify certain lies if people are told everyone is lying.

Like that ‘regular guy’ Blair and his attractive wife?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Like that ‘regular guy’ Blair and his attractive wife?

No. Like Ken Clarke, Jess Phillips and the Mail’s fave Dianne.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

No. Like Ken Clarke, Jess Phillips and the Mail’s fave Dianne.

Dianne Abacus? Yes, she gave up a career as a rocket scientist in favour of getting police numbers right.

 

[DT’s Socks]

I can’t agree with that. There are plenty of honest politicians not in this for personal gain or status and probably earning far less than they could in other professions. It helps justify certain lies if people are told everyone is lying.

the clear difference is that in the UK none of them have really grasped that they work for us. Introduce party politics and career ambitions and it’s all over generally

 

[bobmid]

Dianne Abacus? Yes, she gave up a career as a rocket scientist in favour of getting police numbers right.

Compared to Grayling, Big Diannes miscalculation didnt cost anyone a penny.

 

[Sooperhoop]

Compared to Grayling, Big Diannes miscalculation didnt cost anyone a penny.

'Failing' Grayling is a positive compliment to the bloke's total incompetence. He must been shagging May to stay in the cabinet so long...

 

[Steelmonkey]

'Failing' Grayling is a positive compliment to the bloke's total incompetence. He must been shagging May to stay in the cabinet so long...

The useless **** probably couldn't find the door

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

The Lisbon treaty came into effect in 2009 turkish. I totally get what you're saying in you're other points though. It, like most things comes down to opinions. I personally dont have any problems or concerns about being a member of the EU. According to our own Government, Experts (so called), ardent brexiteers etc I do have concerns about not being a member. As I've said before, this referendum was carried out the wrong way. Knowledge is power, we should have had the information at hand that we know now and then it should have been put to a vote.

The Lisbon 2020 treaty finalises in , surprise surprise 2020 it was signed in 2008 by Labour under Gordon Brown, why do you think the Irish rejected it in their referendum on it and were forced to vote again, because the corrupt anti democratic EU weren’t happy with the vote, why were the French denied a referendum on it, It’s because it’s a treaty that removes sovereignty of nation states, it removes the nation states government from having any control over laws, finance, tax, rules regulations, it outlines the concept of a EU army, it removes our And Denmark’s veto on policy and brings in the majority rule, it ups our contributions massively, it stops us from trading with anybody else outside the EU without paying massive fines and tariffs, it removes our control over the movement of people from inside the EU and outside, it allows the new EU army to enter any nation state to put down insurrection against the EU without the nation in question having any say in it, it’s a surrender document, WHY DO YOU THINK IT WAS SIGNED BEHIND OUR BACKS WITHOUT OUR KNOWING !!!!
Go read it, that’s why I voted leave, it’s why I will continue to vote leave, and it’s why I will object and fight to stay out of the corrupt institution it is till the day I ****ing die.

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

Spot on that Bob. I think the main problem is many people who want to Leave still consider Europe as the opponent, Boris shows this in his language, rather than neighbours who it would be best if we could work with for shared benefits, rather than continually demanding special treatment as we have done with the EU.

I don’t consider Europe the enemy, I never have, I didn’t vote to leave Europe, i love travelling in Europe,I voted to leave a corrupt organisation run by unelected failed politicians I VOTED TO LEAVE THE EU.

 

[Stroller]

The Lisbon 2020 treaty finalises in , surprise surprise 2020 it was signed in 2008 by Labour under Gordon Brown, why do you think the Irish rejected it in their referendum on it and were forced to vote again, because the corrupt anti democratic EU weren’t happy with the vote, why were the French denied a referendum on it, It’s because it’s a treaty that removes sovereignty of nation states, it removes the nation states government from having any control over laws, finance, tax, rules regulations, it outlines the concept of a EU army, it removes our And Denmark’s veto on policy and brings in the majority rule, it ups our contributions massively, it stops us from trading with anybody else outside the EU without paying massive fines and tariffs, it removes our control over the movement of people from inside the EU and outside, it allows the new EU army to enter any nation state to put down insurrection against the EU without the nation in question having any say in it, it’s a surrender document, WHY DO YOU THINK IT WAS SIGNED BEHIND OUR BACKS WITHOUT OUR KNOWING !!!!
Go read it, that’s why I voted leave, it’s why I will continue to vote leave, and it’s why I will object and fight to stay out of the corrupt institution it is till the day I ****ing die.

I have a feeling that you haven't actually read the Treaty, but have instead read the false list of 'facts' about it that has been circulated on social media.

https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

 

[Sooperhoop]

No hiding place for Labour meltdown now...

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