Off Topic IS VIDEO ASSISTANT REFEREE WORKING?
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Saw the replays, so basically what the ref saw afterwards, no Handball imo. Hit her in the boob/shoulder area.
Seems to me that refs are changing their decisions just because there is a VAR review, like they don't want to say that the VAR ref is a ****ing numpty who doesn't know what they're on about.
It's not helping the cause when there are so many mistakes. If it was a new piece of equipment they'd invested in I'd say maybe they thought they were too far down the line to back out of a deal but it's not.
Lets ignore Offsides, because ok VAR is going to prove one way or another if it was offside or not in the same way Hawkeye proves in or out for Tennis.
On other decisions (pens etc) think it just needs one Ref with some balls to stand by their on field decision to say to the others that VAR ref is not in charge of the game, that it is there for help rather than to over rule.
Like this one today, it is because VAR flags it that the ref suddenly thinks that they've made a mistake and probably even before they've seen the footage they're thinking the original decision needs over turning.
Then there are occasions when VAR has failed to get involved, a few obvious Red card have been missed because VAR decided not to flag and give the ref a review.
Overall VAR has just introduced a whole new level of inconsistency with a new person's opinion being involved. I mean VAR is only offered to the Ref when the people/person in the booth decides it should be used.
I've not looked into it anymore than I have to (for writing comments on here) so I really don't know but were refs consulted over it before a decision was made to introduce it? Did refs ask for help before it was decided what form that help should take? Are they still on board with it?
Hawkeye in Tennis is the equivalent of goalline technology in football but offside adds in so many variables including the fact there is no fixed line never mind determining the exact moment the ball was kicked that it cannot be considered to be fully reliable in the really close calls imo.
Sort of can for Offside, they stop the video at the moment the ball is kicked and draw a line across the pitch from the furthest back part of the defensive team bar the keeper, then its just a matter of who is offside and what part of the body is offside. Or at least thats how it should be.
Offside shouldn't be a contentious decision, you either are or aren't.
Hawkeye does the same with goalline decisions, its in or isn't and the same for Tennis, its In or Out.
I just watched ACON NIGERIA V CAMEROOM. They are not using VAR until the quarter final. The officials were terrible.
Those lines don't move. The offside line does, and it's not always just the last defender either, it could be the ball or the keeper too.
What?
The offside line is the line of the position of the 2nd furtherest back member of the defensive team (the furtherest back usually being the Keeper).
The line may move up and down with the players, but its still a line across the pitch.
Think what has happened is confusion over the word 'Hawkeye', I'm not suggesting using Hawkeye or a system similar. In the VAR booth they have the ability to take the video and pause it at the moment the ball is played forward and then to draw a line across the pitch from the back of the afore mentioned defensive player, therefore judging if the attacking player is beyond that line.
On or Off, its got to be one or the other. Just like Hawkeye proves In or Out for Tennis
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I think the woman's world cup has put serious doubts in peoples minds over the use of var. It was used in the champions league and there was no bother, but they seem to be using it by far more in the world cup. It's like the red and certainly the linesman are pointless, might as well be reffed from a box in the stands.
You can't be offside if you are behind the ball either mate. Doesn't matter where the opposition are then.
All I was saying is the line doesn't stay still like it does in other sports. That's what makes it extremely different when considering technology.
It doesn't help that they're using it in different ways in different competitions.
I understand what your getting at. The base lines in tennis are always the base lines, the stumps in cricket are always in the same place.
Offside however needs the camera to stop at the exact moment the ball is struck, then draw the lines to see off side. How exactly do you know when the ball was struck?
When dealing with inches a second can be the difference
I agree, it seems to have been done to death in the world cup but was only really used sporadically in the cl. The waiting while the descions where made killed mist of the games.
I really enjoyed the last women's world cup, but this year it's been ****e, far was a major reason.
It's possible if they scrap the body parts as part of the rule and make all players wear micro chips. I believe the ball already has them for goal line technology (unless they went with a former system in the end)
I'd rather have bad decisions than the waiting. I know others would rather have the correct decisions. Down to personal preference really.
It probably boils down to the descion, whether it was for or against your team.
The thing that gets me is you see some games where the ref is shocking from start to finish, vars not helping this. However for the odd shocking descion that does get given, and to be fair they don't get a lot of obvious ones wrong, we've got to sit through this ****.
I still think var is a good idea, but it's got to be implemented correctly.
FFS
I never mentioned about being behind the ball, thats ****ing obvious.
There is a line, it may move up and down the pitch but there is still a line. It is marked out by the last point, heel, foot whatever, of the 2nd closest defensive player to the defended goal. Yes understood that.
Using VAR they can take the video of the action and take it back when the ball is kicked FORWARD towards an attacking player (who is already in front of the ball).Then pause the video and superimpose the offside line onto the video to determine whether the attacking player is offside by being beyond the offside line . Still with me, I mean MoTD, Sky etc etc etc have been doing this for years in their analysis.
The VAR ref can then relay to the on field referee that the goal, penalty etc etc should be over turned as someone was offside.
So therefore with VAR you are either Onside or Offside. There is no grey area. Just like Hawkeye or goal line tech shows what side of the line the ball is.
Of course VAR is not instant like Goal line, but it should still be right 100% of the time (in theory)
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And the camera position for each ground is different and not in line with every move.
so it's an extremely.complex.issue to calibrate that system.
which is why they have to have a margin of error on it and make on field officials.make a decision then see if it can be proven wrong
prime examples are that lallana ball to milner who was a ridiculous amount off side.