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[OLOF]

So was it signed by the democratically elected government of the UK?

The Republic of Ireland rejected the Lisbon treaty just like the UK rejected the EU but the elites didnt like that so they kept on voting til they got their own way, will you ****ing snowflakes do your homework before posting bollox
It takes some thick **** to be a worse PM that that one eyed scotch dumb **** Gordon Brown but i think the Hunchback has acheived it

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

WJ, I can't say if Chesh's post is correct but I must say that if you go ahead with being members of the EU, then that is exactly what will happen to the UK. You'r not too far from it now. Maybe, by being a scot, you don't care, you're country having been subservient to England for so many years. Surely you. of all people, should realise the need to be your own master.

He's a scot,they are too thick to realise there is no independence for EU states,Jimmy crankie,Gordon bennet Brown,Tony Blair,and WJ.Need I say more.

 

[2020VisionofLeeds]

She don't have to do anything,we leave on the 29th

Is that tomorrow then? Or did you mean a different year?

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Is that tomorrow then? Or did you mean a different year?

Had to postpone to allow for extra gripe water to be brought in,will get you an extra large bottle.

 

[milkyboy]

Tell me do you understand the Lisbon treaty,you do know that by 2022 we will just be a state of Europe and Eu rules override our laws.we will lose our rebate so will be charged much more to be in the EU,and as there will no longer have to be a 100% agreement to pass new rules,the British hating EU will pass rules that we can't stop.Did remain mention this when we had the referendum,no,they relied on kids not understanding what they were voting for.

So chesh... you still standing by your understanding of the Lisbon agreement? Just wondering

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

So chesh... you still standing by your understanding of the Lisbon agreement? Just wondering

The Lisbon treaty is a fact,moving towards a federal Europe,you will learn although it will be too late when you do.
EU budget chief Guenther Oettinger said their will be no budget rebates by the next EU budget,2021-24,we get a massive rebate,so there will be a massive increase in our payments.or you know better than the EU budget chief. naaaaaar

 

[milkyboy]

The Lisbon treaty is a fact,moving towards a federal Europe,you will learn although it will be too late when you do.
EU budget chief Guenther Oettinger said their will be no budget rebates by the next EU budget,2021-24,we get a massive rebate,so there will be a massive increase in our payments.or you know better than the EU budget chief. naaaaaar

He said he didn’t think they’re appropriate... and it’s well known they want to phase them out. But EU finances require unanimous support, so any deal we weren’t happy with couldn’t get passed. In other words it would be a negotiation process.

Good to see you at least checking a source though... so how about some for the rest of the bollox you spouted in the same post?

Options, when you get caught out:
A. Fess up
B. Keep shouting loudly and post lots of

You’re not an option A kind of guy are you fella

 

[Whitejock]

He said he didn’t think they’re appropriate... and it’s well known they want to phase them out. But EU finances require unanimous support, so any deal we weren’t happy with couldn’t get passed. In other words it would be a negotiation process.

Good to see you at least checking a source though... so how about some for the rest of the bollox you spouted in the same post?

Options, when you get caught out:
A. Fess up
B. Keep shouting loudly and post lots of

You’re not an option A kind of guy are you fella

Tbf, it's the Leeds way these days - Plan A every time.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

He said he didn’t think they’re appropriate... and it’s well known they want to phase them out. But EU finances require unanimous support, so any deal we weren’t happy with couldn’t get passed. In other words it would be a negotiation process.

Good to see you at least checking a source though... so how about some for the rest of the bollox you spouted in the same post?

Options, when you get caught out:
A. Fess up
B. Keep shouting loudly and post lots of

You’re not an option A kind of guy are you fella

D. More efficient and democratic policy-making with new policies and new competencies

Several so-called ‘passerelle clauses’ allow a change from unanimous decision-making to qualified majority voting and from the consultation procedure to codecision (Article 31(3) TEU, Articles 81, 153, 192, 312 and 333 TFEU, plus some passerelle-type procedures concerning judicial cooperation in criminal matters) (1.2.4). In areas where the Union has no exclusive powers, at least nine Member States can establish enhanced cooperation among themselves. Authorisation for its use must be granted by the Council after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. On CFSP matters, unanimity applies.


There you go,proof like I said and no right of veto.
ps As my proof is from the European parliament site,a remain meme will not surfise
look forward to reading your apology or you doing a B .

 

[ellandback]

I;m confused by it all.

All I know is that Theresa May is getting very upset that Parliament won't back her.

If the MP's don't back her, does it mean we stay in Europe, or is the argument how we leave Europe?

 

[ellandback]

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[lifecheshirewhite]

I;m confused by it all.

All I know is that Theresa May is getting very upset that Parliament won't back her.

If the MP's don't back her, does it mean we stay in Europe, or is the argument how we leave Europe?

Don't know why she's bothering should do nothing and let us leave by default,sorts everything.

 

[ellandback]

So, if does nothing, we leave by default?

 

[2020VisionofLeeds]

Had to postpone to allow for extra gripe water to be brought in,will get you an extra large bottle.

So you were wrong? That must be a first

 

[2020VisionofLeeds]

So, if does nothing, we leave by default?

Yes, but as parliament have said clearly more than once they don’t want no deal, it’s unlikely to be allowed. That’s why some ERG were wavering, as they can see now they really could lose their precious.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

So you were wrong? That must be a first

Don't be silly,Mrs May was wrong not me.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Yes, but as parliament have said clearly more than once they don’t want no deal, it’s unlikely to be allowed. That’s why some ERG were wavering, as they can see now they really could lose their precious.

If she doesn't ask them,it doesn't matter. but your right she will,maybe we will have a new leader soon who won't lets hope ay.

 

[milkyboy]

D. More efficient and democratic policy-making with new policies and new competencies

Several so-called ‘passerelle clauses’ allow a change from unanimous decision-making to qualified majority voting and from the consultation procedure to codecision (Article 31(3) TEU, Articles 81, 153, 192, 312 and 333 TFEU, plus some passerelle-type procedures concerning judicial cooperation in criminal matters) (1.2.4). In areas where the Union has no exclusive powers, at least nine Member States can establish enhanced cooperation among themselves. Authorisation for its use must be granted by the Council after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. On CFSP matters, unanimity applies.


There you go,proof like I said and no right of veto.
ps As my proof is from the European parliament site,a remain meme will not surfise
look forward to reading your apology or you doing a B .

Do you even read your own ‘proof’? It says ‘several’... changes from unanimous to majority. They loosened the rules on less contentious issues to speed up decision making. Serious stuff, including Finances, which includes the EU budget requires unanimity. Go google that for half an hour and see if you can part quote the wrong bit of legislation. Or read the following link.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/unanimity/

That’s from the European council website...

Then you can get round to trying to enlightening us on the significance of 2022 etc.

 

[lifecheshirewhite]

Do you even read your own ‘proof’? It says ‘several’... changes from unanimous to majority. They loosened the rules on less contentious issues to speed up decision making. Serious stuff, including Finances, which includes the EU budget requires unanimity. Go google that for half an hour and see if you can part quote the wrong bit of legislation. Or read the following link.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/unanimity/

That’s from the European council website...

Then you can get round to trying to enlightening us on the significance of 2022 etc.

It's proof of what I said,Majority,no veto and its 2021 the budget not 2022 as I put.I can only prove what I put and I have,not proved your dreams,but that's your job.

And no it doesn't say(several...changes from unanimous to majority)

It says (several clauses allow a change from unanimous to majority)
A small difference of you making it look like only in a few cases,but it doesn't say that,you altered it because you were wrong.

 

[milkyboy]

It's proof of what I said,Majority,no veto and its 2021 the budget not 2022 as I put.I can only prove what I put and I have,not proved your dreams,but that's your job.

“That by 2022 we will just be a state of Europe and Eu rules override our laws.we will lose our rebate so will be charged much more to be in the EU,and as there will no longer have to be a 100% agreement to pass new rules”

The facts say, we have veto on the important sh*t including budget and rebate.

It’s a killer when the facts get in the way of a good story, fella. I think we know what you’ve managed to prove. Let’s move on... must be a Leeds game coming up soon.