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[ELLERS]

Expect a nuclear threat from ERG to May sometime soon - perhaps in mid March once its clear we won't leave on 29th.

May seems to respond to whoever threatens her last - all that pent up anxiety, I bet she gives her husband hell in bed

Sadly Goldie today May has betrayed Brexit. She said 108 times in the Commons that we would leave on 29th March. She has now gone against what I thought she would do. Taking no deal off the table is just plain stupid. Extending is just a ploy to extend again and again. I have been listening to the radio and other than 1-2 remoaners, all the calls have been from disgusted and annoyed people. They are all saying that May has betrayed them. The ERG needs to make a move soon. One independent analyst said "if Brexit doesn't happen we will become a banana republic".

 

[Sooperhoop]

I bet she gives her husband hell in bed

Too gruesome to even imagine...

 

[ELLERS]

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Just wait until there is a GE and watch all these muppets lose their seats. people don't forget being betrayed. Voters have long memories. She will become as synonymous as Beeching.

 

[DT’s Socks]

No Goldie it is playing games with peoples lives and future.

What and Brexit isn’t

 

[DT’s Socks]

Just wait until there is a GE and watch all these muppets lose their seats. people don't forget being betrayed. Voters have long memories. She will become as synonymous as Beeching.

They will be forgotten and forgiven as the sheep’s brain is one that is born with dementia

 

[DT’s Socks]

I agree with your conclusion, Oslo. May's rather poor deal looks increasingly attractive against the other options which cannot find a Parliamentary majority. If the EU time limited the backstop, I think May's deal would get through Parliament and everyone on both sides of the Channel would have certainty. But I don't think May will ever get her deal through with that indefinite backstop. A UK government cannot bind future UK governments in perpetuity.

That’s what it was designed to do
She has drugged the sheep dip

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Too gruesome to even imagine...

Probably just tips her cocoa over his Times crossword...but still waters may run deep

 

[bobmid]

What have I missed?

 

[Sooperhoop]

They will be forgotten and forgiven as the sheep’s brain is one that is born with dementia

Sounds like you've been on the sheep-dip...

 

[Sooperhoop]

Meanwhile, business as usual for the Anti-Semite Party...

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[Staines R's]

They will be forgotten and forgiven as the sheep’s brain is one that is born with dementia

You’re sadly correct Paul....

Where you’re wrong is that the EU want to reform.....they don’t and they won’t.....why get off the gravy train that makes the ****s rich.

 

[Staines R's]

What have I missed?

Democracy died, the politicians lied.....no big deal Bob.

 

[sb_73]

Expect a nuclear threat from ERG to May sometime soon - perhaps in mid March once its clear we won't leave on 29th.

May seems to respond to whoever threatens her last - all that pent up anxiety, I bet she gives her husband hell in bed

What can they threaten? There are about 70 of them. If her main concern is getting Brexit sorted without a cliff edge collapse - which it should be - her little ploy today brings that closer, as the currency markets are showing. If she is equally or more concerned by the future of the Tory Party - which she shouldn’t be, her position as PM trumps that of Tory party leader and she’s going anyway - they can only threaten her with splitting the party and going off to presumably join Farage. Probably very bad news for the Tories, as the gammon and blue rinse brigade who make up a proportion of constituency parties would possibly follow the ERG out. But I don’t think anyone in the ERG has the bollocks to do it. No Enoch Powell’s in there, happy to walk out to join a Unionist Party on a point of (misguided) principle.

 

[bobmid]

Democracy died, the politicians lied.....no big deal Bob.

Ah well **** happens

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

What can they threaten? There are about 70 of them. If her main concern is getting Brexit sorted without a cliff edge collapse - which it should be - her little ploy today brings that closer, as the currency markets are showing. If she is equally or more concerned by the future of the Tory Party - which she shouldn’t be, her position as PM trumps that of Tory party leader and she’s going anyway - they can only threaten her with splitting the party and going off to presumably join Farage. Probably very bad news for the Tories, as the gammon and blue rinse brigade who make up a proportion of constituency parties would possibly follow the ERG out. But I don’t think anyone in the ERG has the bollocks to do it. No Enoch Powell’s in there, happy to walk out to join a Unionist Party on a point of (misguided) principle.

You've answered your own question, Stan. If Brexit isn't delivered, I think many in the ERG may well walk, hold their nose and join up with Farage (if they stayed separate, there would be three Leave parties including UKIP to split the vote which would be hopeless.) A separate ERG/Farage would hopefully kill off UKIP which has moved to the far, racist right.

The success of an independent ERG (with Farage) would depend on the type of Brexit that is or is not achieved. If May's deal went ahead with an indefinite backstop keeping us in the CU, then the rump of Tory Remainers would hemorrhage votes. So too if it was Norway or other soft versions

 

[DT’s Socks]

Ah well **** happens

Stop it Bob you are a ram
Keep your nuts mate

 

[ELLERS]

You've answered your own question, Stan. If Brexit isn't delivered, I think many in the ERG may well walk, hold their nose and join up with Farage (if they stayed separate, there would be three Leave parties including UKIP to split the vote which would be hopeless.) A separate ERG/Farage would hopefully kill off UKIP which has moved to the far, racist right.

The success of an independent ERG (with Farage) would depend on the type of Brexit that is or is not achieved. If May's deal went ahead with an indefinite backstop keeping us in the CU, then the rump of Tory Remainers would hemorrhage votes. So too if it was Norway or other soft versions

totally agree I don't think he fully understands what will happen. It is just a remainers view and they will just say anything. I now think that the ERG need to walk and set up a Brexit party. They would get 17.4M voters who will feel betrayed and would probably have the majority. The Tories and Labour will be toast. They just said on the radio that 78% of labour target seats voted leave. 72% of their marginal seats voted leave. Many have a huge leave majority
'We are a funny race and when pushed we will stick two fingers up at them'.

 

[sb_73]

You've answered your own question, Stan. If Brexit isn't delivered, I think many in the ERG may well walk, hold their nose and join up with Farage (if they stayed separate, there would be three Leave parties including UKIP to split the vote which would be hopeless.) A separate ERG/Farage would hopefully kill off UKIP which has moved to the far, racist right.

The success of an independent ERG (with Farage) would depend on the type of Brexit that is or is not achieved. If May's deal went ahead with an indefinite backstop keeping us in the CU, then the rump of Tory Remainers would hemorrhage votes. So too if it was Norway or other soft versions

Most of us, including Brexit voters, couldn’t give a toss about the future of the Tory party though (and for balance I feel the same about Labour). If May and the majority of the cabinet believe a no deal/WTO Brexit would be a disaster for the country she has to put the country first.

The real backlash will come with whatever kind of Brexit the huge numbers of people who voted leave because they are pissed off with their own lives and we’re promised that thing would instantly get better discover that they have been conned. I reckon that backlash will be against the entire political class.

 

[bobmid]

totally agree I don't think he fully understands what will happen. It is just a remainers view and they will just say anything. I now think that the ERG need to walk and set up a Brexit party. They would get 17.4M voters who will feel betrayed and would probably have the majority. The Tories and Labour will be toast. 'We are a funny race and when pushed we will stick two fingers up at them'.

I was saying only last week that the ERG should join farages party. Best place for them really.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Most of us, including Brexit voters, couldn’t give a toss about the future of the Tory party though (and for balance I feel the same about Labour). If May and the majority of the cabinet believe a no deal/WTO Brexit would be a disaster for the country she has to put the country first.

The real backlash will come with whatever kind of Brexit the huge numbers of people who voted leave because they are pissed off with their own lives and we’re promised that thing would instantly get better discover that they have been conned. I reckon that backlash will be against the entire political class.

I don't think Brexiteers are as naive as you make out. Everyone, even the ERG, have said that WTO means a temporary bumpy ride. Independence is a sweet concept particularly if the EU struggles and with that in mind, we may well see a rise on anti-EU politicians joining the European Parliament in May.

Of course, if the ERG leave after March, there will have to be a GE. Their calculation must include what would happen if there was. Would they be ready? Would Umunna and chums be ready? Would Corbyn lose more MP's? Who would replace May? Who would lead ERG?