leave her there

[Stan]

Would that be the same/worse as a 'non-white supremacist' who murders
in the name of Christianity ??

Anyone who murders in the name of religion is a murderer and on a par with the next murderer who commits such an act in the name of religion.

You're basically saying that she's a Muslim, therefore she's not our problem, give her to one of the Muslim countries, they have to own their ****.

If that's the case then we have to take responsibility for all the Christian nut jobs out there.

 

[Dier Hard]

Watched a portion of her interview that Sky News posted on Twitter, says how she doesn't regret her decision, expects people to have sympathy for her (I have sympathy for those who ISIS have killed, not who've decided to join them) and then says "There is no evidence against her", now maybe I'm being a cynic but if you genuinely believe you're innocent and have done nothing wrong, would the first thing you'll say is "there's no evidence"? Surely it'd be pleading your innocence, saying you've done nothing wrong or that you beg for people to believe and forgive you, yet by saying "there's no evidence" that just doesn't sit right with me, it's too sketchy of a response, as if she's somewhat playing a game by saying "haha, prove it you mugs". Let's also not forget she's said she wasn't moved by the sights of beheaded heads... I mean ****ing hell.

If for whatever reason she has to return, lock her up for life and I mean life until she's dead, no parole bollocks. I'd much rather she just takes a bullet in-between the eyes though, that's no less than she and anyone of ISIS deserves, along with child molesters, rapists and murderers, I don't believe in second chances for that sort of scum, their victims never got one.

 

[The Ginger Marks]

I do think some things are getting overlooked in all this. In that she was nowt more than a 15 year old kid, at the time of her disappearance it was claimed in media sources via the police that no radicalisation had taken place, well i call that absolute bolloxs and i think the authorities of this country have ducked their responsibilities. The school Bethnal Green Academy, even changed it's name, why?

Three girls from that Academy went to Syria, at least four to five other girls were made wards of court. A girl the previous year had also gone to Syria, so that's at least nine kids.

We failed them! We either turned a blind eye to what was going on, maybe through fear of offending people or we are just utterly naive. Yeah we know the reasons she wants to return, we are a safe haven, the very haven she deserted. But she has grown in to a woman, one that has lost two children, the fact remains she is British, she has had an innocent new born in all this.

I'm not saying she hasn't done wrong, I'm not saying she shouldn't be answerable for any actions in the past four years, but maybe we need to take a closer look at ourselves and how the system in the country failed not just one child but many. We left her open to sexual exploitation, we left her open to things that a 15 year old should never experience or see.

I'm no supporter of this young girl, but we need to face up to our own responsibilities in all this and learn from it. And maybe start by tearing places like BGA until we find the answers.

They were 15 FFS!

Wasnt the nonces in the government calling for the legal age of sex to be lowered to 13 some time back? Assuming they think people are adult enough at that time to determine thei futures.

 

[FosseFilberto]

I do think some things are getting overlooked in all this. In that she was nowt more than a 15 year old kid, at the time of her disappearance it was claimed in media sources via the police that no radicalisation had taken place, well i call that absolute bolloxs and i think the authorities of this country have ducked their responsibilities. The school Bethnal Green Academy, even changed it's name, why?

Three girls from that Academy went to Syria, at least four to five other girls were made wards of court. A girl the previous year had also gone to Syria, so that's at least nine kids.

We failed them! We either turned a blind eye to what was going on, maybe through fear of offending people or we are just utterly naive. Yeah we know the reasons she wants to return, we are a safe haven, the very haven she deserted. But she has grown in to a woman, one that has lost two children, the fact remains she is British, she has had an innocent new born in all this.

I'm not saying she hasn't done wrong, I'm not saying she shouldn't be answerable for any actions in the past four years, but maybe we need to take a closer look at ourselves and how the system in the country failed not just one child but many. We left her open to sexual exploitation, we left her open to things that a 15 year old should never experience or see.

I'm no supporter of this young girl, but we need to face up to our own responsibilities in all this and learn from it. And maybe start by tearing places like BGA until we find the answers.

They were 15 FFS!

You make some good points ... but how on earth did we leave her "open to sexual exploitation" ? ... she was in full time education and a member of a caring supportive family and wider community (by all accounts) - this was no vulnerable care home teenager walking the streets at night....

 

[Rorschach]

The only people who failed her are her parents and her Mosque who should have been teaching her what Islam really is. To lay this at the state is buck passing at the highest level...a nanny state indeed!

 

[The RDBD]

Anyone who murders in the name of religion is a murderer and on a par with the next murderer who commits such an act in the name of religion.

You're basically saying that she's a Muslim, therefore she's not our problem, give her to one of the Muslim countries, they have to own their ****.

I am saying nothing of the kind.
I am saying that the UK will not have to take the girl back, as those nations
whose society is built on the foundations of the religion of "peace" + one
big happy family where skin colour is irrelevant, while be forming a queue
to be the one that welcomes their fallen "sister" back into the rehabilitation fold.

 

[The RDBD]

Did I really want her little kid to be raped or murdered, or whatever it is that I said? Nah, that was the first line for affect.

Should we be doing anything to bring her back? Nope. Might we have no choice but to bring her back? Unfortunately.

What do we do when she comes back? Hang her from London bridge and let that send a message to any other moron that thinks that they can go and fight for enemies of the state and return without consequences. This country has gone far to liberal with it's softy softy approach.

I honestly think there's posters on here who would welcome her back as long as she said sorry

You are very cynical.
I'm sure those very same posters would be compelled by their compassion,
to pay themselves the transportation/prison costs of bringing the girl
back to the UK etc (thus sparing the UK taxpayer the cost) .

 

[brb]

You make some good points ... but how on earth did we leave her "open to sexual exploitation" ? ... she was in full time education and a member of a caring supportive family and wider community (by all accounts) - this was no vulnerable care home teenager walking the streets at night....

I think people need to look at more than just her case. What about the other two kids that went with her, one that went to her death. What about the four or five kids made wards of court. What about the child that left only months previous the departure of the three, let's not forget Aqsa Mahmood the so called 'ISIS' bride from 2013. All these cases were interlinked. I make that ten kids, if this had been any other area the authorities would have been all over it like a rash, but no, use the words Muslim and IS and it makes it all ok to cast them kids to the sword. We failed them, and as i said maybe we are frightened in the inner depths of responsibility of calling these cases out, certainly BGA wanted to wash it's hands off it, all very easy to blame the internet. But it was rotten from core and we haven't even moved forward in this, all to quick to pass judgement than find the root cause, afraid mirrors might reflect the real wrongs.

 

[Stan]

I am saying nothing of the kind.
I am saying that the UK will not have to take the girl back, as those nations
whose society is built on the foundations of the religion of "peace" + one
big happy family where skin colour is irrelevant, while be forming a queue
to be the one that welcomes their fallen "sister" back into the rehabilitation fold.

So because she's a Muslim she's their problem not ours.

Maybe they dislike what ISIS has done as it's caused global hostility towards their religion and innocent Muslims are being abused and attacked just because they're Muslims? How would you feel about being on the end of a verbal or physical attack because someone of the same religion as you had committed an atrocity? Would you feel sympathy towards that person?

 

[Stan]

You are very cynical.
I'm sure those very same posters would be compelled by their compassion,
to pay themselves the transportation/prison costs of bringing the girl
back to the UK etc (thus sparing the UK taxpayer the cost) .

Who has said she should be forgiven? Find one post.

Just because not everyone thinks she should be shot or gang raped by people with "needs" it doesn't mean that their view is that she should be welcomed back with open arms.

 

[Commachio]

What about the other two kids that went with her, one that went to her death.

What a shame..Not.

 

[The RDBD]

So because she's a Muslim she's their problem not ours.

Again :

I am saying that the UK will not have to take the girl back, as those nations
whose society is built on the foundations of the religion of "peace" + one
big happy family where skin colour is irrelevant, while be forming a queue
to be the one that welcomes their fallen "sister" back into the rehabilitation fold


Or more succinctly :

They will be only too happy for the girl to be their "problem" , because such
acts are what Islam is all about.

 

[Dier Hard]

I think people need to look at more than just her case. What about the other two kids that went with her, one that went to her death. What about the four or five kids made wards of court. What about the child that left only months previous the departure of the three, let's not forget Aqsa Mahmood the so called 'ISIS' bride from 2013. All these cases were interlinked. I make that ten kids, if this had been any other area the authorities would have been all over it like a rash, but no, use the words Muslim and IS and it makes it all ok to cast them kids to the sword. We failed them, and as i said maybe we are frightened in the inner depths of responsibility of calling these cases out, certainly BGA wanted to wash it's hands off it, all very easy to blame the internet. But it was rotten from core and we haven't even moved forward in this, all to quick to pass judgement than find the root cause, afraid mirrors might reflect the real wrongs.

I think that's a bit of a cop-out to suggest "we failed them" mate, that can be used for every single atrocious act that's been committed on this soil or those from this soil. Did we fail the Bulger killers? Did we fail the Lawrence killers? Did we fail the numerous child molesters, rapists and murderers? Unfortunately, there are people on this planet, not just Britain, who are wired differently or choose to make horrendous choices. Treason is most certainly one of them. We can look for excuses for Begum but she was living in in a fantastic country with a family (and friends) who no doubt loved/s her, she chose to leave all that behind to join a cause/ organisation of inflicting terror and pain on our country and others. "We" never failed her, she failed her country.

 

[Stan]

Again :

I am saying that the UK will not have to take the girl back, as those nations
whose society is built on the foundations of the religion of "peace" + one
big happy family where skin colour is irrelevant, while be forming a queue
to be the one that welcomes their fallen "sister" back into the rehabilitation fold


Or more succinctly :

They will be only too happy for the girl to be their "problem" , because such
acts are what Islam is all about.

Does Christianity not preach forgiveness? I know the bible is contradictory but I'm sure forgiveness gets a menshy.

 

[The RDBD]

Who has said she should be forgiven?

That is not what I said.

What I did is that if the nasty UK govt refused to deal with the girl for
not being willing to burden the UK taxpayer with the financial costs, that
Saffys' "posters" would be compelled by their higher moral virtues to foot the
costs out of their own pockets instead.

 

[The Ginger Marks]

Does Christianity not preach forgiveness? I know the bible is contradictory but I'm sure forgiveness gets a menshy.

Indeed it does, turn the other cheek whilst extracting an eye for an eye.

 

[brb]

I think that's a bit of a cop-out to suggest "we failed them" mate, that can be used for every single atrocious act that's been committed on this soil or those from this soil. Did we fail the Bulger killers? Did we fail the Lawrence killers? Did we fail the numerous child molesters, rapists and murderers? Unfortunately, there are people on this planet, not just Britain, who are wired differently or choose to make horrendous choices. Treason is most certainly one of them. We can look for excuses for Begum but she was living in in a fantastic country with a family (and friends) who no doubt loved/s her, she chose to leave all that behind to join a cause/ organisation of inflicting terror and pain on our country and others. "We" never failed her, she failed her country.

You named convicted killers, please tell me who this young mum killed?

 

[Stan]

That is not what I said.

What I did is that if the nasty UK govt refused to deal with the girl for
not being willing to burden the UK taxpayer with the financial costs, that
Saffys' "posters" would be compelled by their higher moral virtues to foot the
costs out of their own pockets instead.

Who has said the government have to voluntarily bring her back and cover the costs?

That's not how deportation works.

 

[Spurlock]

Indeed it does, turn the other cheek whilst extracting an eye for an eye.

Yeah but you're a dodgy Buddhist...got to take what you say with a pinch of salt

 

[luvgonzo]

It's a sad situation and there are some interesting points from all sides of the argument and then there are one or two ****s who need their heads rattling.

If we don't understand how this person ended up in this situation we cannot learn from it and attempt to stop it happening again.