leave her there

[PowerSpurs]

The attitude towards her is similar to the values of those we are looking down on with such disdain, if we cannot look at this situation and do the right thing and not resort to the kind of horrific attitudes of groups like ISIS then we are no better.

I understand she is a British Citizen with right of abode. She should be given exactly the rights any British Citizen has, no more and no less. If she has committed crimes she should be charged and tried if she chooses to return to the UK.

 

[Rorschach]

I'm just amazed at the amount of unconscious racism taking place on this thread. They are not judging what the causes were, they are not judging what the girl has done wrong from a criminal perspective, they are not judging by the other nine kids also influenced and linked to this case, it comes down to some quite clearly, she was muslim and she supported IS, nothing more, nothing less, yer British judge and jury is right here on this thread. God bless the fascist white Christians of our great country.

No, I am judging her on her actions of ****ing off and turning her back on her country of birth and backing a group of ****s who would like us all either dead or enslaved.
So, once again, **** her

 

[Spurlock]

it hurts you so much doesn’t it.

A Chav who has moved to the land of under age sex and married a bloke could never hurt me you deluded scrotum faced twat

 

[The RDBD]

You've been preaching about how Muslim nations should welcome someone who has sullied the name of Islam.

Not what I said.
I did say that Muslim nations WOULD (not SHOULD) welcome that someone.


"Surely that view was based on some working knowledge of Islam and how Muslims feel about a
death cult that has negatively impacted the lives of genuine Muslims?"

I'm sure their feelings are overcome by the Islamic equivalents of the Christian phrase :

Heaven rejoices when one sinner repents.

 

[remembercolinlee]

You are very cynical.
I'm sure those very same posters would be compelled by their compassion,
to pay themselves the transportation/prison costs of bringing the girl
back to the UK etc (thus sparing the UK taxpayer the cost) .

I think suggesting that those who believe that she should be returned to the uk should pay is ridiculous tbh.

She is (as I understand it) a UK citizen and has no other nationality.
To strip her of her citizenship would be to make her nationless. This is an illegal act and would be an extremely dangerous precident to set.

Following the rule of law has sod all to do with compassion but why is compassion being mocked?
I have not read a single post on her that says she should be released and that be the end of it.

In my view she should be returned to the uk and if she is suspected of criminal acts (as has been suggested...I believe joining/supporting IS was a criminal act at the time) she should face a trial.

I fail to see why those who disagree are being told that that they should pay.
Justice costs money and when corners are cut due to the ridicule of "do gooders" terrible miscarriages of justice occur so innocent people are locked up and the guilty remain free...look at the Birmingham 6, Guilford 4, Carl Bridgewater case, PC Blakelock case...plus numerous others particularly involving the North Yorkshire police back in the 1970s and 80s.

This debate is showing a lot of the fault lines in British politics imo.

If someone hurt my kids I would want them dead...that's why we have a justice system...so it is not mob rule or revenge killings.
How we respond is vital in showing how a democracy values ryle of law and due process. It shows we believe that a mob mentality can not rule a society.

People have strong feelings which is understandable, people disagree, again understandable but some of what's on here, particularly the veiled suggesting of rape as some kind of punishment is beyond disturbing.

I also think @brb and @PISKIE have raised important points which need to be addressed to prevent others being, for the want of nother term, groomed in future.

 

[Spurlock]

Anyway...food is ready...cheers for the laugh Skiddy, see you around

 

[The Ginger Marks]

A Chav who has moved to the land of under age sex and married a bloke could never hurt me you deluded scrotum faced twat

You lost a long time ago and if it pleases me I’ll remove you from my pocket in time. In the mean time keep on showing your breeding bruv.

 

[brb]

Maybe she didn’t, but does that change anything? Maybe she was just being a meat tent to jihaddists who killed people. Does that not make her an accomplice?

Ginge my point was i made a comment. From that comment, child killers were brought into the topic ie comparing them to her. So i asked, what proof is there that she killed anyone or participated in aiding killing anyone. As it stands i believe she has one possible criminal case against her, that being she joined a terrorist organisation. Anything other than that at this stage is just bolloxs.

 

[PowerSpurs]

Again :

I am saying that the UK will not have to take the girl back, as those nations
whose society is built on the foundations of the religion of "peace" + one
big happy family where skin colour is irrelevant, while be forming a queue
to be the one that welcomes their fallen "sister" back into the rehabilitation fold


Or more succinctly :

They will be only too happy for the girl to be their "problem" , because such
acts are what Islam is all about.

Whether other countries will take her is irrelevant. She is subject to our laws as a British Citizen and is entitled to exactly what all other British citizens are entitled to. Namely, the right to live in the UK and to be considered innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Stan]

Not what I said.
I did say that Muslim nations WOULD (not SHOULD) welcome that someone.


"Surely that view was based on some working knowledge of Islam and how Muslims feel about a
death cult that has negatively impacted the lives of genuine Muslims?"

I'm sure their feelings are overcome by the Islamic equivalents of the Christian phrase :

Heaven rejoices when one sinner repents.

OK so you've decided for them. What gives you that authority?

 

[The RDBD]

You're preaching on Islam again.

So you are saying that only the Quran must be respected, and not the
human-penned stuff that came after its delivery to Mohammed.

 

[PowerSpurs]

She committed treason. She joined the very organisation who kills and inflicts terror on ours and other countries.

And who here honestly knows what she may or may not have done whilst there? She spent four years with IS, for sure she may just have been a breeding puppet for them, she may also have been a recruiter like Sally Jones, she may been someone who helped create explosives, we have no idea what she actually done whilst there but what we do know is that she made the decision to join a terrorist organisation. That alone is a treacherous act.

Then she needs to be tried and convicted and punished accordingly.

 

[The RDBD]

OK so you've decided for them. What gives you that authority?

I haven't "decided" anything.
I just feel that things will play out as I said, because of the
aforementioned moral virtues embedded in Islam.

 

[The Ginger Marks]

Ginge my point was i made a comment. From that comment, child killers were brought into the topic ie comparing them to her. So i asked, what proof is there that she killed anyone or participated in aiding killing anyone. As it stands i believe she has one possible criminal case against her, that being she joined a terrorist organisation. Anything other than that at this stage is just bolloxs.

Yes, whoever bought that up as a simile was wrong. All we know is she willing pissed off to another country and joined a terrorist organisation which is outlawed throughout Europe. Whatever her part in that, we will never know as she will never compromise her beliefs and jeopardise her possible future incoming benefits. I’m pretty sure you know where I sit on the matter but her future won’t be determined by the likes of you and me. I think we all know how it will end as we take all the ****e of the world.

 

[Stan]

So you are saying that only the Quran must be respected, and not the
human-penned stuff that came after its delivery to Mohammed.

I don't believe in god.

I therefore don't tell other people how they should conduct their religion or beliefs. I'm also not prejudiced against people because of their religion or lack of faith.

I don't happen to think you're qualified to tell a third nation that they should take on the responsibility for a British teenager who has committed a crime simply because she happens to follow the same faith as the majority in their country, particularly as she has very likely committed crimes against their faith.

 

[Blueman]

She committed treason. She joined the very organisation who kills and inflicts terror on ours and other countries.

And who here honestly knows what she may or may not have done whilst there? She spent four years with IS, for sure she may just have been a breeding puppet for them, she may also have been a recruiter like Sally Jones, she may been someone who helped create explosives, we have no idea what she actually done whilst there but what we do know is that she made the decision to join a terrorist organisation. That alone is a treacherous act.

A lot of people on here are forgetting that.

 

[Blueman]

I understand she is a British Citizen with right of abode. She should be given exactly the rights any British Citizen has, no more and no less. If she has committed crimes she should be charged and tried if she chooses to return to the UK.

She abandoned the UK.

 

[The RDBD]

I don't believe in god.

And ...

"I therefore don't tell other people how they should conduct their religion or beliefs.
I'm also not prejudiced against people because of their religion or lack of faith."

[HASHTAG]#metoo[/HASHTAG]

But I don't need (non) belief in God to behave so.


"I don't happen to think you're qualified to tell a third nation that they should take on the responsibility for a British teenager who has committed a crime simply because she happens to follow the same faith as the majority in their country, particularly as she has very likely committed crimes against their faith."

[HASHTAG]#metoo[/HASHTAG]

Which (yet again) is why I have said no such thing.

 

[Stan]

And ...

"I therefore don't tell other people how they should conduct their religion or beliefs.
I'm also not prejudiced against people because of their religion or lack of faith."

[HASHTAG]#metoo[/HASHTAG]

But I don't need (non) belief in God to behave so.


"I don't happen to think you're qualified to tell a third nation that they should take on the responsibility for a British teenager who has committed a crime simply because she happens to follow the same faith as the majority in their country, particularly as she has very likely committed crimes against their faith."

[HASHTAG]#metoo[/HASHTAG]

Which (yet again) is why I have said no such thing.

No you said they would take responsibility for her because you’re a Muslim scholar and you know how the various Muslim states you listed feel about embracing ISIS supporters.

I think she’ll be deported by Syria back to the UK and will be prosecuted.

 

[Blueman]

No you said they would take responsibility for her because you’re a Muslim scholar and you know how the various Muslim states you listed feel about embracing ISIS supporters.

I think she’ll be deported by Syria back to the UK and will be prosecuted.

Me too.