Just watched QT. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Ellers but Abbott is bloody useless!! But that right wing Isabelle woman is absolutely vile. The audience was very much about the immigration and freedom of movement part of leaving. Everyone wants something different, this is going absolutely nowhere......until the 29th March or whatever it is. There will never be an agreement from a majority. I so wish we could rewind 2 and a bit years and for this to have never happened. It's ridiculous, embarrassing, pathetic, disorganised bollocks which really needs to end. This country is going to the dogs while we watch theses weasel politicians taking tax payers money to do nothing but divide a nation. Great Britain.....my arse!!!
Or all those ****ing laws everyone despises so much but can never ever name one! We can now make our own laws blag blah blah.....like what? We can control immigration.....We don't even control it from non EU countries and that will most likely rise if we limit EU immigrants. Watch out for more mosques getting built!
I pleased you agreed with that Bob. I don't care what party anyone votes for but Abbott is dreadful. I don't think I can think of a 'thicker' politician out there. She makes Trump sound like a scholar. However I have to disagree about Isabel Oakeshott. don't you find her sexy?
I don't think I've said the UK should leave the EU because we got outvoted more than others, although as I say, we are out of sync and that could have had adverse implications had we stayed in. There are a number of reasons why I voted to leave, well rehearsed on this thread.
tbh I can see why some don't like her as she does come across as hard. As soon as I saw her and Abbott, I thought no contest. She really does know her stuff. I have seen her rip one into many including Tories.
Oh dear it seems Facebook is in the crap for being paid to spread fake news in an anti-Brexit campaign. By......... the remain camp Stroller will be eating humble pie. Do you think that's what he mean't by "lying and Cheats"?
own goal... after I mock Diane Abbott about being thick I read this... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...es-diplomats-disbelief-presenting-eu-leaders/ Please tell me she is not that stupid!
she's not a bad looker. Like our poor mans tomi lahren. Seen some of her tweets and too right wing for me. Don't think there is a more mediaphobic person as the abbopotamus.
Fair enough Goldie, it was immigration for you wasn't it? No one seems to be able to come up with anything specific on the sovereignty front, though. Funny that.
I think it was more Geo politics - Turkey wanted more alignment but knew it would never get membership. That said, Cameron didn't seem to understand very much at all other than saying what he thought would win him power without thinking through the consequences. I always found it hilarious that many "experts" who said that Turkey would join claimed to know everything about Article 50 of Lisbon whilst clearly not having the faintest clue about the article directly above it. Hopefully you'll know that's not directed at you!
Came across this on a thread. Don't know whose work it is, but it is brill ..."BREXIT EXPLAINED.......simples innit? David Cameron made a promise he didn't think he'd have to keep to have a referendum he didn't think he would lose. Boris Johnson decided to back the side he didn't believe in because he didn't think it would win. Then Gove, who said he wouldn't run, did, and Boris who said he would run, said he wouldn't, and Theresa May who didn't vote for Brexit got the job of making it happen. She called the election she said she wouldn't and lost the majority David Cameron hadn't expected to win in the first place. She triggered Article 50 when we didn't need to and said we would talk about trade at the same time as the divorce deal and the EU said they wouldn't so we didn't. People thought she wouldn't get the divorce settled but she did, but only by agreeing to separate arrangements for Northern Ireland when she had promised the DUP she wouldn't. Then the Cabinet agreed a deal but they hadn't, and David Davis who was Brexit Secretary but wasn't said it wasn't what people had voted for and he couldn't support what he had just supported and left. Boris Johnson who hadn't left then wished that he had and did, but it was a bit late for that. Dominic Raab become the new Brexit secretary. People thought Theresa May wouldn't get a withdrawal agreement negotiated, but once she had they wished that she hadn't, because hardly anybody liked it whether they wanted to leave or not. Jacob Rees-Mogg kept threatening a vote of no confidence in her but not enough people were confident enough people would not have confidence in her to confidently call a no confidence vote. Dominic Raab said he hadn't really been Brexit Secretary either and resigned, and somebody else took the job but it probably isn't worth remembering who they are as they're not really doing the job either as Olly Robbins is. Then she said she would call a vote and didn't, that she wouldn't release some legal advice but had to, that she would get some concessions but didn't, and got cross that Juncker was calling her nebulous when he wasn't but probably should have been. At some point Jacob Rees Mogg and others called a vote of no confidence in her, which she won by promising to leave, so she can stay. But they said she had really lost it and should go, at the same time as saying that people who voted Leave knew what they were voting for which they couldn't possibly have because we still don't know now, and that we should leave the vote to Leave vote alone but have no confidence in the no confidence vote which won by more. The government also argued in court against us being able to say we didn't want to leave after all but it turned out we could. She named a date for the vote on her agreement which nobody expected to pass, while pretending that no deal which nobody wants is still possible (even though we know we can just say we are not leaving), and that we can't have a second referendum because having a democratic vote is undemocratic. And of cour se as expected she loses. Some people are talking about a managed no-deal which is not a deal but is not no-deal either. Thank goodness for strong and stable government." Sent from my STF-L09 using Tapatalk
