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[DT’s Socks]

There was a lot of truth in the joke, Strolls.

I agree with you that all homeless people should have the offer of a roof over their head, particularly at this time of year. As I say, £39bn would go a long way.[/Q

There was a lot of truth in the joke, Strolls.

I agree with you that all homeless people should have the offer of a roof over their head, particularly at this time of year. As I say, £39bn would go a long way.

Yes it would buy 170,000 average UK homes enough for the UK homeless to have a load each...
One to live in and the other ones to rent out to the immigrants. You may find however that during the summer some may go camping on the south coast

You also would need to consider the social problems as 12% of the new town will more and likely sell the gifts given to them

Mortgage free they are free to spend their U credit on vice

Hope they put them all in Essex or Norfolk

Norfolk then the entire county would be a cool million population

Let’s call it Homeland

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Yes it would buy 170,000 average UK homes enough for the UK homeless to have a load each...
One to live in and the other ones to rent out to the immigrants. You may find however that during the summer some may go camping on the south coast

You also would need to consider the social problems as 12% of the new town will more and likely sell the gifts given to them

Mortgage free they are free to spend their U credit on vice

Hope they put them all in Essex or Norfolk

Norfolk then the entire county would be a cool million population

Let’s call it Homeland

Perhaps they'd all fit into Norwich

 

[Stroller]

A Joke!
When you've been bleating on about:

I am saddened that you find it funny Stroller? I found the note disgusting and irresponsible. Labour wasted money after money and then left a note as a Joke?
Maybe you should tell the homeless it was a joke.
As I said it’s not a new issue.

It really is time for me to take a break from this ****, but I should just reply to this first. Of course homelessness is not a new issue, but it reduced to very low levels under the last Labour government and has soared since 2010. It's what Tories do. Liam Byrne's note was a bit silly, but the reason the economy was in a bad way when the Tories took over was the global bankers' crash (remember that? - none of those ****s wound up on the streets did they?), not irresponsible spending by Labour (properly funding the NHS - how dare they?). Old ground.

Anyway, you win Ellers, you've worn me down. I can't be bothered to continue banging my lefty head against the twin brick walls of rampant Toryism and Leave madness on here. I've got a ferry to catch.

 

[DT’s Socks]

The EU in Magnificence on Sky just now
Press Conference

Real honest people and dignified to boot
Back to the studio in the UK

Spot the culture change

A grubby closed little island full of mixed up people

 

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What do we do now?

 

[QPR Oslo]

I'm still hopeful that the Cabinet will decide over the weekend that May has to go. We need a strong prime minister who believes in Brexit to take us through a managed No Deal. There's no alternative. We keep £39bn or much of it (some can be used for the social issues Stroller refers to) and start negotiating trade agreements worldwide. That war criminal, ex-Labour prime minister, Tony Blair, who owns 40 plus properties in the UK (how many house the homeless?), wants to wave the white flag and go back to the ****s in Brussels with our tails between our legs. That's not what this nation is about, but he and Alistair Campbell have never understood that.

More hot air, empty words and irrational propositions about a no deal exit that no sane person wants, from the ERG! Language from WW2. The Tories just this week voted for May with a bigger majority than last time. Blair and Gareth Thomas MP are closer to getting it right today than either May or Corbyn seem to have done yet. This charade needs ending by postponing Article 50, until Parliament and if necessary voters cancel it permanently

 

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[Quite Possibly Raving]

Since the personal animosity seems to be running a little high, why not try something a little different to take the sting out of our debate? Instead of posting what you want to happen, shall we each predict what we may think will happen and why? I'll start us off:

Much as I don't want one, I think we will end up having a second 'people's vote', and further, I think leave will go on to win that. At this stage, much harder to call, but I think we would end up with a deal similar to what May has negotiated, with a more UK friendly backstop deal. Here's why:

1. May's deal gets voted down after no change is made to the current deal
2. I think there is a strong Parliamentary majority against no deal - I can't see how the parliamentary arithmetic allows this to happen
3. ...and if it doesn't, with May's deal rejected, the only option left is a Norway or Norway+ type deal. Again, this will please nobody at all as we won't have full membership benefits, but will have most of the responsibilities [rule taker, without a say]
4. At this stage, with a majority against no deal, and a small majority for a People's Vote [Lab + SNP + LD + Tory rebels], A50 is extended one year, and legislation forced through for People's Vote
5. Campaign and vote - leave win with significantly enhanced majority [who would have thought speeches on European Armies and a tough negotiation over two years would help leave?! ;-)]
6. Again, no majority in Parliament for no deal, but very strong mandate for leave
7. EU weakened and UK negotiation position strengthened
8. May deal with better backstop finally gets through...

Will May still be PM at stage 8? Not willing to guess at that!!

How do others see it going?

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

If Corbyn and McDonnell were to gain power and implement the last Labour manifesto, where would you place that on the scale of leftism?

They couldn't do it all, there isn't the money unless they shortchange owners of utility shares. My understanding is, Corbyn wants to create something like what Venezuela should have been. McDonnell is a self confessed communist (Marxist) and would go further

 

[ELLERS]

Since the personal animosity seems to be running a little high, why not try something a little different to take the sting out of our debate? Instead of posting what you want to happen, shall we each predict what we may think will happen and why? I'll start us off:

Much as I don't want one, I think we will end up having a second 'people's vote', and further, I think leave will go on to win that. At this stage, much harder to call, but I think we would end up with a deal similar to what May has negotiated, with a more UK friendly backstop deal. Here's why:

1. May's deal gets voted down after no change is made to the current deal
2. I think there is a strong Parliamentary majority against no deal - I can't see how the parliamentary arithmetic allows this to happen
3. ...and if it doesn't, with May's deal rejected, the only option left is a Norway or Norway+ type deal. Again, this will please nobody at all as we won't have full membership benefits, but will have most of the responsibilities [rule taker, without a say]
4. At this stage, with a majority against no deal, and a small majority for a People's Vote [Lab + SNP + LD + Tory rebels], A50 is extended one year, and legislation forced through for People's Vote
5. Campaign and vote - leave win with significantly enhanced majority [who would have thought speeches on European Armies and a tough negotiation over two years would help leave?! ;-)]
6. Again, no majority in Parliament for no deal, but very strong mandate for leave
7. EU weakened and UK negotiation position strengthened
8. May deal with better backstop finally gets through...

Will May still be PM at stage 8? Not willing to guess at that!!

How do others see it going?

Maybe we could have another vote on here which way we would vote now. Using the same people. Most of the Brexit voters would be dead though? Scrap that idea.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Since the personal animosity seems to be running a little high, why not try something a little different to take the sting out of our debate? Instead of posting what you want to happen, shall we each predict what we may think will happen and why? I'll start us off:

Much as I don't want one, I think we will end up having a second 'people's vote', and further, I think leave will go on to win that. At this stage, much harder to call, but I think we would end up with a deal similar to what May has negotiated, with a more UK friendly backstop deal. Here's why:

1. May's deal gets voted down after no change is made to the current deal
2. I think there is a strong Parliamentary majority against no deal - I can't see how the parliamentary arithmetic allows this to happen
3. ...and if it doesn't, with May's deal rejected, the only option left is a Norway or Norway+ type deal. Again, this will please nobody at all as we won't have full membership benefits, but will have most of the responsibilities [rule taker, without a say]
4. At this stage, with a majority against no deal, and a small majority for a People's Vote [Lab + SNP + LD + Tory rebels], A50 is extended one year, and legislation forced through for People's Vote
5. Campaign and vote - leave win with significantly enhanced majority [who would have thought speeches on European Armies and a tough negotiation over two years would help leave?! ;-)]
6. Again, no majority in Parliament for no deal, but very strong mandate for leave
7. EU weakened and UK negotiation position strengthened
8. May deal with better backstop finally gets through...

Will May still be PM at stage 8? Not willing to guess at that!!

How do others see it going?

I guess the question I have is, are there the numbers in Parliament to make law to stop what is happening by default ie WTO? And how can Parliament stop a default without putting something in its place? If there is no necessary consensus for another course in Parliament, the UK has to go with WTO.

There's a lot of brinkmanship here by the EU. Belgium has admitted 70,000 of their workers would be laid off in the event of a no deal. That's just one of the 27.

 

[QPR Oslo]

Since the personal animosity seems to be running a little high, why not try something a little different to take the sting out of our debate? Instead of posting what you want to happen, shall we each predict what we may think will happen and why? I'll start us off:

Much as I don't want one, I think we will end up having a second 'people's vote', and further, I think leave will go on to win that. At this stage, much harder to call, but I think we would end up with a deal similar to what May has negotiated, with a more UK friendly backstop deal. Here's why:

1. May's deal gets voted down after no change is made to the current deal
2. I think there is a strong Parliamentary majority against no deal - I can't see how the parliamentary arithmetic allows this to happen
3. ...and if it doesn't, with May's deal rejected, the only option left is a Norway or Norway+ type deal. Again, this will please nobody at all as we won't have full membership benefits, but will have most of the responsibilities [rule taker, without a say]
4. At this stage, with a majority against no deal, and a small majority for a People's Vote [Lab + SNP + LD + Tory rebels], A50 is extended one year, and legislation forced through for People's Vote
5. Campaign and vote - leave win with significantly enhanced majority [who would have thought speeches on European Armies and a tough negotiation over two years would help leave?! ;-)]
6. Again, no majority in Parliament for no deal, but very strong mandate for leave
7. EU weakened and UK negotiation position strengthened
8. May deal with better backstop finally gets through...

Will May still be PM at stage 8? Not willing to guess at that!!

How do others see it going?

I think I have already posted this, but I've got a bad feeling May's obstinacy will get her deal through parliament in the end.

 

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There was plenty for years until a bunch of criminals in the City and Wall Street decided to gamble it all away. Brown got lumbered with the task of saving us all from financial Armageddon caused by those cocaine snorting ****ers. The current editor of the Evening Standard then decided to reward them with further bonuses rather than shutting off their money supply line at our expense because the country could not afford not see them leave in droves. But then of course because they vote a certain way and contribute to the coffers of the Conservative party that is all forgotten and forgiven. To pay for it 8 years of austerity paid for by you , I and the poorest in society. Or did you forget all that? If so you really do need to see someone about your memory.

 

[ELLERS]

There was plenty for years until a bunch of criminals in the City and Wall Street decided to gamble it all away. Brown got lumbered with the task of saving us all from financial Armageddon caused by those cocaine snorting ****ers. The current editor of the Evening Standard then decided to reward them with further bonuses rather than shutting off their money supply line at our expense because the country could not afford not see them leave in droves. But then of course because they vote a certain way and contribute to the coffers of the Conservative party that is all forgotten and forgiven. To pay for it 8 years of austerity paid for by you , I and the poorest in society. Or did you forget all that? If so you really do need to see someone about your memory.

Hang on, he gets worse!

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

What do we do now?

Again with the blue sheep bollocks, you really are a nutjob.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

There was plenty for years until a bunch of criminals in the City and Wall Street decided to gamble it all away. Brown got lumbered with the task of saving us all from financial Armageddon caused by those cocaine snorting ****ers. The current editor of the Evening Standard then decided to reward them with further bonuses rather than shutting off their money supply line at our expense because the country could not afford not see them leave in droves. But then of course because they vote a certain way and contribute to the coffers of the Conservative party that is all forgotten and forgiven. To pay for it 8 years of austerity paid for by you , I and the poorest in society. Or did you forget all that? If so you really do need to see someone about your memory.

Who had the duty to regulate financial services between 1998 and 2010? Who removed responsibility from the Bank of England? Who encouraged massive borrowing by claiming there would be no more boom and bust? Who put no government funds away for a rainy day? Need help with your selective memory?

 

[Sooperhoop]

What do we do now?

Look for the short-arsed half-wit telling everyone how great France is...

 

[Sooperhoop]

This is spot on...

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[Star of David Bardsley]

This is spot on...

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It’s utterly meaningless bollocks.

We won the war so don’t treat us like the ****ing shambles we are. Brilliant.