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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
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Well at least we may have something to sell someone
I have absolutely no confidence in the UK intelligence by the way ... we have a truly shocking record of late

We really don't. Your ignorance is only based on any publicised mistakes.
All agencies make mistakes. However, it's widely recognised that ours have stopped hundreds of terrorist plots and they deserve every credit for this. The terrorists only need to get lucky once in a while. It happens and almost all attacks worldwide could have been prevented with hindsight.
Anyway, I'm sure we won't agree but there it is.
 
We really don't. Your ignorance is only based on any publicised mistakes.
All agencies make mistakes. However, it's widely recognised that ours have stopped hundreds of terrorist plots and they deserve every credit for this. The terrorists only need to get lucky once in a while. It happens and almost all attacks worldwide could have been prevented with hindsight.
Anyway, I'm sure we won't agree but there it is.

father in law works within the service so i’ll Go with that
 
<yikes> Sorry bob but what you are saying is.....? It's like saying you are good at carrying buckets of water up a hill but complain if you spill one drop.

What Col said is spot on regarding our security and intelligence services which are better than the lot of them put together. I guess I must what too much news/ current affairs programs because only recently this subject was on and all involved said ours was the best and that May could use it as a bargaining chip.
No need to apologise Ellers. Comparing intelligence service results to carrying buckets of water up a hill is a good one though hey. These services as stated are pretty secret so who knows what others are capable of doing.
 
No need to apologise Ellers. Comparing intelligence service results to carrying buckets of water up a hill is a good one though hey. These services as stated are pretty secret so who knows what others are capable of doing.

Exactly I do know one thing 100% they are massively underfunded and extremely short on personal. Overseas it’s a shoestring and we certainly don’t train anyone
We rely on the states heavily in all aspects

Two worlds
 
It happens Bob.

However, they stop 100s of plots every year and, due to the secrecy involved, these rarely come to light. All agencies make mistakes but ours deserve huge credit for what they do with regards to National security.

Think about speed cameras without film they still sort of work .... Our SIS issues the odd alert but the truth is they have no albility to prevent anything. The alerts are used to raise awareness to all parties

The culture is contain the PR post event

Car attacks cannot be monitored at all it’s totally impossible to prevent

People will still be out Xmas shopping without any thought of danger

Again I mention one big clue about a potential danger to the UK ... no one attacks the M25 or a Railway line or better still a petrol station

All of these things would hurt the UK a lot worse than the orchestrated attacks we see across Europe
 
Germany made billions on Greece’s debt crisis, Berlin confirms
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Berlin has been one of the main lenders to Greece during its debt crisis. While conservative parties warned that supporting Greece would come at the cost of the German taxpayer, new figures show Germany has made money on the crisis.
The German government released figures on Thursday in response to parliamentary question from the Green Party which show that Germany has made €2.9 billion in interest payments on Greek bonds since 2010.
Since 2010 Germany has been buying Greek government bonds as part of an EU deal to prop up the struggling Greek economy. The bonds were bought by the Bundesbank and then transferred to the federal treasury.
Initial agreements with the government in Athens set out that any interest earned on the bonds would be paid back to Greece when it fulfilled its reform obligations.
But the figures published by the government on Thursday show that Germany made €3.4 billion in interest payments on the bonds and only paid Greece €527 million in 2013 and €387 million the following year. That left €2.5 billion in profit, plus interest of €400 million on a loan from the KfW development bank.
The Green party have responded to the figures by calling for debt relief for Greece.
“Contrary to all the myths spread by people on the right, Germany has profited massively from the crisis in Greece,” said Green MP Sven-Christian Kindler.
“It can’t be the case that the government makes billions in profits on Greek debt which it puts into the German budget,” he added.
The Greeks have kept their side of the bargain by making painful cuts to the budget but “now it is the Euro group's time to keep its promises,” said Kindler.
On Thursday, Eurozone ministers will try to resolve their differences over the terms of Greece’s departure from its massive bailout programme with splits over the degree of debt relief needed by cash-strapped Athens.
If successful the talks will mark an important milestone for Europe nine years after Greece stunned the world with out-of-control debts and set the scene for three bailouts and a near collapse of the euro single currency.
Finance ministers from the 19 countries that use the single currency are seeking to agree debt relief and a sizeable cash cushion for Greece that will reassure financial markets on the ability of Athens to stand on its own.
As ever in the Greek debt crisis, Germany is the most resistant to debt relief and has demanded that Athens be closely tracked on reform implementation after the programme ends this summer.
Opposite the hardliners, who also include the Netherlands and other northern eurozone countries, are France and the European Central Bank, which argue that reduced debt is crucial in order for Greece to gain the trust of the markets.

It's like Wonga fleecing an impressionable and much loved great aunt who loses her house and has to move into a budget care home
 
It certainly is 2 mins and you are away from any sign of what is being broadcasted... Dave to confirm that ?

I've been out and about all week teaching in various places, and haven't noticed anything different, other than it has been unseasonably warm. Some disruption to deliveries due to lorries being delayed by guys in yellow jackets, but I've not noticed anything too disturbing.
 
I reckon all companies should up sticks and move from London to Paris. Always good for a riot at weekends. Get your car burnt out and your company head office smashed in.
 
It's like Wonga fleecing an impressionable and much loved great aunt who loses her house and has to move into a budget care home
What are they supposed to do? We chose to limit the amount of money we lent them. The Germans were prepared to extend their lending in order to give the Greeks time to sort themselves out. It seems they can't get it right whatever they do. Either they are ungenerous unscrupulous money lenders or they are reckless with their nation's money. You'd be slagging them off either way because after all, Germany is the big bad spider at the centre of the web. By the way I'm sure the Wongas will blossom over here once Brexit as been achieved in all its glory. It's what most Brexit ideologues yearn for. I doubt you'll be complaining about them once they're our own home grown extortionists and I'm sure their directors will be rewarded well for their pure spirit of entrepeneurship and success in making money, just as Maggie told them to go out and and do
 
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What are they supposed to do? We chose to limit the amount of money we lent them. The Germans were prepared to extend their lending in order to give the Greeks time to sort themselves out. It seems they can't get it right whatever they do. Either they are ungenerous unscrupulous money lenders or they are reckless with their nation's money. You'd be slagging them off either way because after all, Germany is the big bad spider at the centre of the web. By the way I'm sure the Wongas will blossom over here once Brexit as been achieved in all its glory. It's what most Brexit ideologues yearn for. I doubt you'll be complaining about them once they're our own home grown extortionists and I'm sure their directors will be rewarded well for their pure spirit of entrepeneurship and success in making money, just as Maggie told them to go out and and do
Germany apparently we're going to pay all the interest back to greece
If wonga promised to pay all the interest back but only really could be bothered to pay back less than twenty per cent then people would be rightly up in arms
But apparently because it's only the Germans ****ing over the Greeks that's all right
With Galileo the UK paid in 1.4 billion for a return to business of 1.1 billion
Sounds like the eu is a great pyramid scheme to be in if you get in early with its dodgy deals
 
Germany apparently we're going to pay all the interest back to greece
If wonga promised to pay all the interest back but only really could be bothered to pay back less than twenty per cent then people would be rightly up in arms
But apparently because it's only the Germans ****ing over the Greeks that's all right
With Galileo the UK paid in 1.4 billion for a return to business of 1.1 billion
Sounds like the eu is a great pyramid scheme to be in if you get in early with its dodgy deals

It's actually a financial black hole for the UK, now over 20 years since they last published certified accounts. Nevermind, their biggest supporters, Blair, Mandelson and the Kinnocks have become multi-millionaires on the back of it...
 
What are they supposed to do? We chose to limit the amount of money we lent them. The Germans were prepared to extend their lending in order to give the Greeks time to sort themselves out. It seems they can't get it right whatever they do. Either they are ungenerous unscrupulous money lenders or they are reckless with their nation's money. You'd be slagging them off either way because after all, Germany is the big bad spider at the centre of the web. By the way I'm sure the Wongas will blossom over here once Brexit as been achieved in all its glory. It's what most Brexit ideologues yearn for. I doubt you'll be complaining about them once they're our own home grown extortionists and I'm sure their directors will be rewarded well for their pure spirit of entrepeneurship and success in making money, just as Maggie told them to go out and and do

Goldie you know you can't say anything negative against an EU country. How dare you! They will make it law soon. Lord Haw Haw mk2 will report you for this as it comes across as anti EU.
 
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Mr Gove has just put forward a pretty persuasive case for accepting the deal. He's very good at standing his ground when the interviewer is trying to interrupt him or divert the conversation.
 
Mr Gove has just put forward a pretty persuasive case for accepting the deal. He's very good at standing his ground when the interviewer is trying to interrupt him or divert the conversation.
Sadly Mr Gove is a weak man who listens to his wife and her friends. He stitched up Boris. He was part of the. Initial group that wanted May out. He sold out for a cabinet position.. He was then in a group that were against the deal and now he supports her. <yikes>
 
father in law works within the service so i’ll Go with that

Very strange to mention this at all.plus, if it's true, I'm certain he would agree with what I've said.

Exactly I do know one thing 100% they are massively underfunded and extremely short on personal. Overseas it’s a shoestring and we certainly don’t train anyone
We rely on the states heavily in all aspects

Two worlds

I never said our security services train anyone and they are indeed stretched.
The training I referred to was by our SF, who's SOPs are replicated around the World.
 
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