Agree it’s a farce (we will always agree on that)
However there will not be a new referendum. You need to move on with that one.
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However there will not be a new referendum. You need to move on with that one.
Yup. I've not bothered to get involved. Circular argument all over. What will happen will happen. Fortunately for me if it's brexit i suspect i will have investment opportunities and if it's not brexit then i will carry on living my current lifestyle.
The country will carry on irrespective of what happens but what happens to people at the bottom or those who are overleveraged should be worried.
I have 9 trees and a couple I am attempting to save. My big challenge is lemons and Oranges as just started doing them on my garden terrace
Trial and error as taken me four years to get the watering system right but cool now as have it all rigged up on a smart plug so I can water from the UK on a recycling system ... I make it rain even when it hits 40 in the summer that has meant however me installing tanks in my cellar that hold 2500 litres of rain water
The citrus trees don’t need a lot I have learnt that now and the ph of the beds they are in has to be monitored carefully as does the watering
Love it
Aye it's all a load of ****e. Tv debate, whats the ****ing point. We say this, they say that and after it all we do what the **** we want!
Agree there is a dangerous pillar to post culture that has developed in the UK and average debt is very high ... chucking everything on the mortgage to aid cash flow is dangerous
A lot of people could get into trouble and with that comes the heartache of the associated problems
Me I would love it if the housing market in the south went tits up ... harsh yes but a lesson required imo ... people near me in Wimbledon have done nothing clever and their semis are worth a million now ... not fair on the people of Wigan for example same houses worth 25% of that if not less
these numbers wont effect waiting times at gps / hospitals etc
how many homes were built in the last year
how many schools etc etc
is it enough to cover the people that arrived
is it bollocks
Migration is still adding to the population of the UK
Net migration continues to add to the population of the UK as an estimated 273,000 more people moved to the UK with an intention to stay 12 months or more than left in the year ending June 2018. Over the year, 625,000 people moved to the UK (immigration) and 351,000 people left the UK (emigration) (Figure 1).
how many homes were built in the last year
how many schools etc etc
is it enough to cover the people that arrived
is it bollocks
Migration is still adding to the population of the UK
Net migration continues to add to the population of the UK as an estimated 273,000 more people moved to the UK with an intention to stay 12 months or more than left in the year ending June 2018. Over the year, 625,000 people moved to the UK (immigration) and 351,000 people left the UK (emigration) (Figure 1).
623,000 national insurance numbers registered to adult overseas nationals in the year to September 2018. 426,000, or just over two-thirds, were from within the EU. 'Outside of the EU, South Asia has the most registrations'. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759795/nino-registrations-adult-overseas-nationals-september-2018.pdf…
Not cut and dried for me we are Europeans and should be able to travel unrestricted to work and live ... I could never move permanently away from London why would anyone it’s the best city in the world
What does my nut in is when nationalists stick their blinkers on and not only rubbish all other countries around them but then state British is best ... it isn’t
EU net migration only accounts for only 74,000 of the 273,000 net. Food for thought.
But of course your so f*****g smart, that you got it right, and because in your arrogance you seem to think your right, the other 52% are are totally wrong.
Have you ever considered that in fact we got it right and ( god forbid ) you in fact got it wrong,
Probably not because you are one of them that’s never wrong and everybody who doesn’t agree with you is an idiot.
Based on everything that’s happened post-ref so far, he’s not wrong. We might all be sitting here in 20 years saying what a great move it was to get out when we did. We might be sitting here in 20 years celebrating QPR’s sixth successive European Super League title.
as long as they all have somewhere to live it will be great
would hate for them to join the already homeless there
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Well it’s about £670 per person under the current plan plus interest of course as the UK will need to borrow more
€39 bn to get out we’ll pay up what we owe and we are still not out that will cost the UK around £270bn
Reverse gear and fight from within I say
In total honesty I haven’t listened to any interview with him this time (Maybe you can tell me the main points the papers/internet news sites have missed out of what he said)
But surely you’d admit, he was completely wrong last time with his talk of meltdown IF the country voted to leave.
I wouldn’t worry yourself too much mate, we ain’t leaving anyway so you lot can all continue your EU love in many years to come
WTO says its rules would not force EU or UK to erect hard Irish border
Expert says it is up to London and Brussels to protect their own markets in no deal Brexit scenario
Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 18:50
Simon Carswell Public Affairs Editor
More than half of all Irish beef is exported to the UK at present. Photograph: Getty Images
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World Trade Organisation (WTO) has said that there is nothing in its rules that would force either the EU or UK to erect a hard Irish border after Brexit.
The Geneva-based trade body where countries negotiate the rules of international trade would only intervene in a dispute over trade if one of its 164 member countries made a complaint.
One expert warned that it would fall either to the UK or EU - not the WTO - to set up border checks in order to protect the integrity of their internal markets from illegal activity and divergent trade rules.
Political divisions in London over the draft Brexit agreement have increased the prospect of the UK crashing out of the EU with no deal next March.
Should the UK leave the EU next year without any withdrawal agreement, then the WTO trade rules would automatically apply to UK trade with the EU and other countries which with the EU has agreements.
This could result in tariff of more than 35 per cent on Irish dairy products exported into the UK.
The UK, the EU and the Irish Government insist they have no intention of putting up a hard border between the Republic and Northern Ireland, but a no deal Brexit would create a vacuum of uncertainty around how different trading rules would be policed along a frontier between two different economic blocs.
“There is nothing in WTO rules that forces anyone to put up border posts,” said WTO spokesman Keith Rockwell on a visit to Dublin last week.
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“Someone has to bring a complaint and say that their interests have been hurt.”
The Geneva organisation insisted that it would not impose checks along the Irish border.
“The WTO will not intervene unless one of its members brought a case,” said Mr Rockwell. “If they [the UK] do not apply any duties or customs procedures against other trading partners and they do not have a trade agreement, some people might not be happy about that and they can bring a dispute settlement case.”
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In circumstances where duties or customs are not enforced, a major beef producer such as the US or Argentina could lodge a complaint if the UK decided to import Irish beef duty free to avoid a customs border.
Mr Rockwell dismissed any expectation that the Geneva-based trade referee had the enforcement powers to bring about a hard border, saying the “black helicopters of the WTO will not descend”.
“Will the WTO send its agents here to inspect? We do not have agents; there are 650 people in the WTO secretariat,” he said.
Edgar Morgenroth, professor of economics at Dublin City University, said the WTO’s position on the Irish Border was “utterly irrelevant” as, in the absence of a deal, the onus would be on the EU and UK to protect their own respective markets against smuggling or divergent rules on the opposite side of a border.
“The WTO rules are neither here nor there. They don’t require you to protect your border,” said Prof Morgenroth.
“What does require you to protect your border is protecting the integrity of your single market; it needs to be preserved. Ireland would be required by EU law to do so and it is in Ireland’s interests to do that. Ultimately, it is about protecting jobs.”
He used the example where the UK might agree a deal with Brazil resulting in Irish beef farmers being confronted with tariff-free Brazilian beef imports to the UK across the Border in Northern Ireland.
“That beef could easily go across the Border without checks, you have an incentive to do so,” he said.
Prof Morgenroth used this as an example too about why technological solutions, which the UK government is keen to examine, will not solve the Border issue either as “you cannot look into trucks”.
At present, more than half of all Irish beef is exported to the UK.
“I can’t see a tractable solution to the border issue if the UK wants to deviate sufficiently strongly from the status quo,” said the DCU academic.
Expert says it is up to London and Brussels to protect their own markets in no deal Brexit scenario
Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 18:50
Simon Carswell Public Affairs Editor
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More than half of all Irish beef is exported to the UK at present. Photograph: Getty Images
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World Trade Organisation (WTO) has said that there is nothing in its rules that would force either the EU or UK to erect a hard Irish border after Brexit.
The Geneva-based trade body where countries negotiate the rules of international trade would only intervene in a dispute over trade if one of its 164 member countries made a complaint.
One expert warned that it would fall either to the UK or EU - not the WTO - to set up border checks in order to protect the integrity of their internal markets from illegal activity and divergent trade rules.
Political divisions in London over the draft Brexit agreement have increased the prospect of the UK crashing out of the EU with no deal next March.
Should the UK leave the EU next year without any withdrawal agreement, then the WTO trade rules would automatically apply to UK trade with the EU and other countries which with the EU has agreements.
This could result in tariff of more than 35 per cent on Irish dairy products exported into the UK.
The UK, the EU and the Irish Government insist they have no intention of putting up a hard border between the Republic and Northern Ireland, but a no deal Brexit would create a vacuum of uncertainty around how different trading rules would be policed along a frontier between two different economic blocs.
“There is nothing in WTO rules that forces anyone to put up border posts,” said WTO spokesman Keith Rockwell on a visit to Dublin last week.
Theresa May says extending article 50 would kill Brexit deal
“Someone has to bring a complaint and say that their interests have been hurt.”
The Geneva organisation insisted that it would not impose checks along the Irish border.
“The WTO will not intervene unless one of its members brought a case,” said Mr Rockwell. “If they [the UK] do not apply any duties or customs procedures against other trading partners and they do not have a trade agreement, some people might not be happy about that and they can bring a dispute settlement case.”
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In circumstances where duties or customs are not enforced, a major beef producer such as the US or Argentina could lodge a complaint if the UK decided to import Irish beef duty free to avoid a customs border.
Mr Rockwell dismissed any expectation that the Geneva-based trade referee had the enforcement powers to bring about a hard border, saying the “black helicopters of the WTO will not descend”.
“Will the WTO send its agents here to inspect? We do not have agents; there are 650 people in the WTO secretariat,” he said.
Edgar Morgenroth, professor of economics at Dublin City University, said the WTO’s position on the Irish Border was “utterly irrelevant” as, in the absence of a deal, the onus would be on the EU and UK to protect their own respective markets against smuggling or divergent rules on the opposite side of a border.
“The WTO rules are neither here nor there. They don’t require you to protect your border,” said Prof Morgenroth.
“What does require you to protect your border is protecting the integrity of your single market; it needs to be preserved. Ireland would be required by EU law to do so and it is in Ireland’s interests to do that. Ultimately, it is about protecting jobs.”
He used the example where the UK might agree a deal with Brazil resulting in Irish beef farmers being confronted with tariff-free Brazilian beef imports to the UK across the Border in Northern Ireland.
“That beef could easily go across the Border without checks, you have an incentive to do so,” he said.
Prof Morgenroth used this as an example too about why technological solutions, which the UK government is keen to examine, will not solve the Border issue either as “you cannot look into trucks”.
At present, more than half of all Irish beef is exported to the UK.
“I can’t see a tractable solution to the border issue if the UK wants to deviate sufficiently strongly from the status quo,” said the DCU academic.
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