you say we shouldnt ignore the referendum result, then say the result is a mess but then go onto ignore the result instead of fixing it. and saying it is clear is just being willfully ignorant. its very clear that not everyone voted for the same brexit.... but thats what i mean by you ignoring the result of the referendum.
can you give a reason why you dont get to change a vote ? changing it allows us to keep up date with changes in viewpoints of the population and adapt to changes in society and the world..
it also prevents what hitler did a using a broad pro german vote to mandate extreme actions like putting non german minorities into work camps or gas chambers which people probably werent voting for initially..
what negatives do you see? its hard to argue when you just say we cant do something (when you mean shouldnt) and dont give reasons why we shouldnt.
you compared it to the election but you might have forgotten then theresa may called an early election because the initial vote didnt cover what she was doing and wanted to confirm the country still supported her actions.... the same way we need to check whether the country still support her actions here. she failed to get a majority and without the DUP the answer is no the country doesnt support her actions. so if you want a ge to overturn it, it already has.
also as i keep saying other countries use a super majority for constitutional changes. its much harder to change a vote that got 55% for example as then you would need 55% the other way to change it back ( 5% shift needed not 10% as you suggested with your maths earlier) which ensures an actual decision was made that wont be instantly overturned. unfortnately we didnt have the forsight to put this in our constitution like other eu countries or the US have so we are in a situation where the vote can and should change back and forth due to changing public opinion.
this would solve the mess with the scottish referendum, the EU referendum and the lisbon treaty while still allowing firm decisions like the Irish abortion decision to go ahead.
so yes the refendum has been a mess and you shoudnt just ignore the mess because it got the result that you want.
btw a referendum IS a poll. if you listen to politicians they use the term interchangeably. you should put as much distrust in this poll too. its not accurate to 2%
VM............A referendum is certainly not a poll...........You have to physically make a vote. A poll is where people stop you in the street and ask you how you are likely to vote...ETC. I agree it is a kind of poll but using that as an argument to justify the deficiencies of poll results in my view cannot be considered........
Question........ you said TM called an election to confirm her actions.........No she didn't............she called the election to make sure the people would be happy that the tory party were the right ones to see the job through. (and I did mention the Election) There is a difference although I agree we are both splitting hairs here (and just so you understand I didn't think they were the right ones to see this through actually ?)
I actually agree about the Super majority.......I said at the time this should have been called for!! (my earlier remark about the voting majority. Wasn't the vote something like 52% for and 48% against as near as dam it? Isn't that a 4% majority as near as dam it?)
As a matter of interest......just taking out the Scottish vote and the NI vote the English vote was a very high percentage against...... (although I'm not suggesting we should ignore them) I don't recall saying anything about a 10% majority turn around or anything like it.
On the % majority side of things you have a very good point as I said previously. Maybe the politicians will wake up and put that quickly into the constitution. Then just maybe another vote can be called for, maybe that is the way to go to "fix it" as you call it........never gave that a thought.
I agree about the mess it would have clearly stopped all this bullshit that is going around.
I've never Said I'm against another Referendum.........Just that the original cannot and should not be ignored just because things have got tough. Nothing to do with the fact I want to be out........The politicians will have to find a way around this. Even the Labour Party are currently saying that at this time another referendum is not on the cards.
I have agreed the referendum is a mess but it has mainly been caused by the infighting of the tories. They in my view are Labour have not helped in any way. It is strange then that the Tories are still in the lead on the recent sceptical polls that a lot of you rely on. Does that mean the country is behind TM....Tell you what Im totally confused and fed up to the bone with whole scenario.
Yes. Irish voters rejected the Lisbon Treaty in June 2008 by 53% to 47% but were asked to vote again on the same thing in October 2009, when they approved it by 67% to 33%.
Thanks Chilcs...........I was meaning just England..........Rightly or wrongly I consider NI and Scotland separate units...........Although granted still part of the UK.
