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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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    47.9%
  2. Get out

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  1. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    Yes I think it’s a new club, because the owners of the old one were arseholes. All on the very well put together website, including a clear and lucid explanation as to why they can’t take new orders for shirts - they and the manufacturers completely unprepared for astonishing demand, and both tiny operations.

    Rest up and look after yourself matey.
     
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    Rubbish Kiwi
    Anyway we have LED now
     
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    Source?! Have you been trawling the dark web again, Stan?
     
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  4. Stroller

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    This is clever.....

     
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    Just read a review of a book called Why We Get The Wrong Politicians by Isabel Hardman. Looks interesting though I doubt I’ll read it as I have a very long to do list in reading of things which won’t make me angry. Apparently cash, patronage and ability to make a noise being valued over actual intelligence all have a role to play. But the bit which caught my attention was about Chris Grayling, the Death Star of Ministers, destroying any department he gets his hands on. After leaving Justice a complete basket case, thinking that his self confessed total ignorance of the law was somehow an advantage, he is applying the same technique to Transport. Only the distressing knowledge that whoever appoints someone clearly lacking in basic competence to roles like this is probably equally incompetent makes the ‘careers’ of some of these ****wits comprehensible.

    Apparently Bill Deedes, one time Minister and also prominent journalist, used to cringe seeing politicians interviewed by journalists of demonstrably higher intelligence.
     
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    Gordon Brown very eloquent on why Labour has to adopt the full international definition of anti semitism immediately.

    On the news a lady member of the Labour NEC, apparently in charge of the disputes process and an Islington councillor, droned on and on about injustice and protecting everyone, including Jews. But when asked whether she supported adopting the full definition she said that it wasn’t perfect because it didn’t protect anti Zionists (a new minority previously unknown to me) and the Palestinians. So evidently a definition of anti semitism has to protect anti semites to be acceptable to Corbyn’s Labour. Thing is I think she actually believed that there was no contradiction in what she was saying. Cognitive dissonance/doublethink in action. Staggering.
     
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    Labour under Corbyn are a deeply unpleasant, racist mob.
    It's a real betrayal of former, decent Labour politicians imo.
     
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    Criticism of the Israeli state (anti-Zionism, if you like) is not anti-Semitism though, is it?
     
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    Been saying that countless times but always seems to fall on deaf ears.
    Personally I’ve got no problem with Jews but like many think the state of Israel is a barbaric regime that gets away with invading foreign lands and killing people with out repent.
     
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    I still cannot understand the anti Corbyn viewpoint in any shape or form.

    He is the first politician to actually care about equality hence why the establishment work so hard to bring him down.

    I won’t vote for him ever however as I am not a hypocrite... I want more treasures and play things plus enough money to buy the never ending list of toys that haven’t been invented yet. I do not want to share nor contribute anymore than I have to

    I am English and it’s 2018 and cannot change unless of course we have a revolution and everyone is allowed to stone the greedy super rich
     
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    Not in the dictionary, but Corbyn’s Labour have degraded the term ‘anti Zionist’ to make it virtually synonymous with anti semitism. Just have a look at the language used by the brave anti Zionists while trolling Jewish people on the internet, just look at the assumptions they make about Jewish wealth, power and influence. All classic enemy within stuff.

    Besides, if Zionism is the establishment and then development and protection of a state for Jewish people, then anti Zionism is the negation of these things, which to me seems fundamentally anti Semitic. It also makes me a (non Jewish) Zionist, albeit a passive one. But I am still able to criticise the Israeli government (and man it deserves criticising) without denying the right of Israel to exist and prosper. A proper anti Zionist (which I suspect you are not) wants Israel wiped from the map. I am also in favour of a coherent, secular state for the Palestinians but I have no idea how to achieve it.

    And anyway, a competent leader would have dealt with this **** decisively ages ago. The Labour Party is never going to influence the Middle East, there are plenty of serious things close to home they should be addressing but aren’t. But not much to be expected from a man who thinks that opening a ‘dialogue for peace’ involves only talking to one side and attending memorial services for terrorists. It’s also not surprising that these twats are now totally tied up in semantics, given that their grasp of balanced critical thinking is so tenuous.
     
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    Doubtless showing my ignorance as usual, but aren’t there enough Arab states around that could solve the Palestinian problem at a stroke, except it suits them to keep the ‘problem’ around?
     
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    Just surprised no one has mentioned Teresa's May dancing yet...……
     
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    How, by giving them land? On paper probably, and as 70% of Jordan’s population is of Palestinian origin, you could say they have done it already.

    Doubtless there are historical, cultural, religious and sheer bloody mindedness issues that prevent anything good happening.
     
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    Last paragraph in particular is bang on the money. A classic example of a peacemaker is George Mitchell, who, in his dealings on Northern Ireland was even-handed, objective, diplomatic and constructive.

    Jezza on the other hand, is so far up the arse of Islamic anti-semitic terrorist organisations that just the soles of his feet are showing. His intransigence over the last months and his refusal to deal with the media over the issue makes it clear he will never change. Jewish leaders in the UK are not so stupid as to believe that a meeting and a cup of tea with him will alter his prejudiced stance.
     
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    Precisely that. It aids their cause internationally to have the Pallies as the perpetual victims of those nasty Zionists.
     
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    Would those Jewish people in this country who are so demanding of protection for the Israeli state want to go and live there? Probably not.

    The whole (mostly fabricated) anti-Semitism thing has become a massive millstone for Labour, and as a natural (but not uncritical) Labour voter, I find it immensely frustrating that Corbyn hasn't properly dealt with it. As you say, there are more important issues closer to home that need to be addressed.

    Corbyn has, in my view, has made great strides in taking Labour back to what it should be in terms of domestic policy, and that is where its focus should be.
     
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    I’m not sure of your point on this, Stroller. There are seemingly oppressed peoples all over the globe that I’d like to see protected, but that doesn’t mean that I’d want to go live where they do, even if they share something with me.
     
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    do try to keep up ninj
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