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Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Lord Jonjomort, Aug 13, 2018.

  1. Hugh Briss

    Hugh Briss Well-Known Member

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    Mike Ashley owns NUFC, Sports Direct, House of Fraser, Lonsdale etc.
    He is answerable to nobody but the tax office.
    I don't see how he is restricted in any way.
    He hasn't become a billionaire by following all the rules and he certainly would not have an issue in getting his fat, grubby mits on his own money.

    I'm no financial expert but you can be sure that Ashley most certainly is.

    We need a new owner who has ambition for Newcastle United and not simply milking the TV money and 'getting by' in the PL.
    I've no doubt Ashley will pay Rafa whatever he wants but will never spend the sort of money required for this football club to get anywhere near the top table.
     
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  2. JakartaToon

    JakartaToon Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    GeordieGinola is quite correct. Newcastle United Football Company Limited is owned by MASH Holdings which is controlled by Mike Ashley. Money could only be taken out of the Company in three ways:
    1) as a dividend paid to shareholders (which hasn't been done)
    2) as a repayment on loans made by MASH, which has been partly done, but using another loan by him.
    3) as a payment for services provided. It can't be a Directors Fee as he is not a Director. It cant be a payment to Sports Direct either as that money would count as income to Sports Direct.
    NUFCL has made a number of provisions in 2017 accounts including writing off certain player current balance sheet value and also a provision for possible tax charge and penalty that may be incurred as a result of HMRC investigation. While these would lower the 2017 profits they would all be seen as conservative accounting actions by auditors and encouraged. However it would also make the figures look like we made large losses which means we didn't have much money available to spend on players. He can't go on doing that forever though.

    Something strange also happened in the wages and salaries - these went up from 74.7m in 2016 to 112.2m in 2017. Someone suggested this was due to a promotion bonus but that was only 9.9m so there is an extra 30m cost in there. I can't believe that we actually raised our player wage bill that much for the Championship Season but there is no detail on this in accounts.

    However only way he could have used that to take money out of the company was to employ distant relatives as turnstile attendants on huge salaries in return for paying the majority of the money to him!
     
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  3. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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  4. General Lee Speaking

    General Lee Speaking Well-Known Member

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    I'm guessing there is a company in Singapore with the same name since it mentions the 'Singapore exchange'?
     
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  5. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    Or Keith Bishop’s company on £10m a year..
     
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  6. G4rdToonArmy

    G4rdToonArmy Well-Known Member

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    Any idea's lads? interesting considering the fans forum has been cancelled until September - maybe Bishop was right - this will all blow over by September - As Ashley will have sold?
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  7. G4rdToonArmy

    G4rdToonArmy Well-Known Member

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  8. CarolAncelotti

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    Clutching at straws here
     
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  10. CarolAncelotti

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    Probably some bullshit contingency to get around d a hard Brexit
     
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  11. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion Forum Moderator

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    Said it yesterday to someone else but just get out of the way of that piece of straw it's mine.
     
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  12. G4rdToonArmy

    G4rdToonArmy Well-Known Member

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    Well it was MASH HOLDINGS last time I looked so somethings happened, could be as you say to get around Brexit but seems strange they've cancelled the fans forum and this has happened in the last 48 hours or so.
     
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  13. G4rdToonArmy

    G4rdToonArmy Well-Known Member

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    Also we've taken an active interest in the Asian Market recently with Muto, Ki coming on board, Fun888 etc.

    Isn't beyond the realms of possibility.
     
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  14. RobEllious

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    According to reuters, the company used to be called St. James' holding. Apparently that was used by MA to buy us?
    Just feels like its mike appealing to the asia market in some way that doesnt involve him selling us but him somehow making money from the situation. Dobt ask me how so
     
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  15. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    What I found was that there’s two SJH companies. One, in Singapore, is effectively an entertainment company owned by Perennial. The other is owned by the fat one. I think it’s simply a domain name issue that has seen the link move, I sadly don’t think it’s a thing.
     
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  16. General Lee Speaking

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    In the meantime some industrious Newcastle fan has changed wikipedia and everybody has got excited. The link you posted yesterday something about it going through in 2014 so it was obviously nothing to do with the club.
     
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  17. General Lee Speaking

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    There's been quite a bit of chat from fans about us getting relegated to get rid of Ashley. While I see the appeal in spiting him because he's a ****, I can't see him going based on the last two relegations. IMHO the best we can hope for is to be a stable EPL team and hope someone with more money than sense takes a fancy to us.
     
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  18. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    Three scenarios for me; 1) the fan abuse of SD continues to affect profit, shareholders get involved and he is left with no choice but to sell. 2) we get relegated, don't come back up at the first attempt and he writes off a lot of cash to get rid, 3) we get lucky a.f. and someone with a lot of money buys a PL club called Newcastle.

    I cannot see an Ellis Short situation with this ****ing idiot in charge, so 2 is least likely. There appears to be no interest in football, I'd guess due to the diminishing TV contract, so (3) is fanciful. I actually think (1) is the best option - however, I don't think the fans will keep it up.
     
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  19. General Lee Speaking

    General Lee Speaking Well-Known Member

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    Affect the profit of SD? I see it as negligible given the size of SD and, in terms of SD's shareholders, MA holds over 50% of the companies shares and seems to like buying more of them when their price falls, so I doubt anything our fans do will bother him at all. People saying don't put any money into the club, equally, are pissing in the wind.
     
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  20. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    https://www.theguardian.com/busines...rman-zero-hours-contracts-keith-hellawell-agm

    https://news.sky.com/story/shareholders-reject-plan-to-pay-mike-ashleys-brother-11m-11169092

    This is his achilles heel. It's listed, so not above action and it's fine margins at that level, all about profit margins. £3bn means **** all if it's at 0.001% profit. And it doesn't take a lot of action to hit profits.
     
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