Match Day Thread QPR v Bristol City

[Rodney]

Busy all day but just read most of this and wanted to give my thoughts about last night and out current situation.

We actually started brightly last night and most of the play was at their end for about fifteen, maybe twenty minutes and I was quite enjoying the footie. Until Washington missed. I sit in PU so could not tell whether it was a complete sitter or not but I saw him hit it right at the goalie - a common phenomenon among the less good strikers. Eze would have put his chance away with a bit more experience.

We all agree there were no good performances from any of our players ( although I think Baptiste deserves a nod as one who did his job in a workmanlike fashion and made a couple of important interceptions ) but the thing that bothered me more was that heads almost went down after the first goal and definitely did after the second. Olly's team did not do that as exemplified by coming back from being 2 nil down to Brentford. The second problem was that there was no plan B until the subs and even those were booed by some of our own crowd.

Let's just take a step back from the emotion of the moment and have a think.

There's a sort of balance in our situation. The self-confessed errors of Tony and Co go back over years and, therefore, are going to take years to fix. This might even involve a spell in League 1 where we would be the bigger fish in a smaller pond. Listening to Sean Derry on the radio today made me think he would be a great manager for us in League 1 and maybe even one to consider if SM does not survive. He would tick the box of 'being QPR' and he continues to speak fondly of the club though with sadness at the current situation.

The board tolerated Olly losing six on the spin twice in one season! Obviously we beat Norwich at home in the first game last year to get points on the board but 3 out of 21 is really not that much better than 0 out of 12, or even 0 out of 21, over a 138 point season. I think that means SM is not going anywhere just yet though a pasting by Wigan at home might well change that in the knee-jerk world of football management.

We really do need to wait until 1.9.18 to see what SM (or yet another A.N.Other) has to work with. Well's scoring a few will have us cheered in no time. I hope this rumour is true.

The greatest unknown, and the one with potential for greatest impact for good or indeed bad, is whether The Board has the collective will to see this thing through over what will now be many years before we get a sniff at the PL again. It is possible that for the Malaysians and the Indians, losing (with resultant loss of face) is most undesirable which makes me believe they will remain in it for the long haul. I also think they believe there is profit to be made in a new stadium development at the LCS with resultant development of LR

All my own speculation and conjecture but therapeutic to put thoughts down after the most disappointing start for 31 years. Another unwelcome QPR record!

Sleep tight one and all and remember, we are all Rangers Til We Die!

This is such a good post and sums up my own feelings, now that I have had time to calm down. I was there and am just back home, after taking a detour on my way back to Somerset.

1. We did play well for 40 minutes and, with a decent goal-scorer, we could have gone in ahead.
2. Over the 90 minutes, Baptiste was, indeed, the best of modest bunch.
3. After the first goal, and particularly after the second, our heads didn't just go down, they nearly fell off the players' shoulders.
4. I saw McClaren interviewed and he claimed our Plan B was to "go more direct" and he instructed the players accordingly at half time. Therefore, he should take the blame for such an awful second half tactic.
5. However, I think it is ludicrous that so many fans have already jumped on the "McClaren Out" bandwagon. Despite my deep embarrassment and burning anger at recent performances, I am going to give him a decent crack at turning things round. As some have admitted, we lost some good players over the Summer and failed to fill the biggest vacancy, a decent goal-scorer. None of us so clever fans knows how hard The Board and Management tried on that score and why we failed. Am I so much cleverer than SLF or Lee Hoos? I don't think so: they knew it, too, and would have been working hard within our financial constraints to fix the all-too-obvious problems. As even the Sun can see (above), the poor man (McClaren) has taken on a basket case and he needs our support, not the sort of vitriol that has been pouring out in recent days.

Those so-called fans should be ashamed. At this stage of the season, the players and management need - and deserve - our support. With Wells and Hemed now on board, we need to get behind the team and not crumble at the first sign of trouble. As RTID says, Ollie had two runs of 6 consecutive defeats (out of 3 in our entire history) and we're still in the Championship. So, lighten up guys and let's all be a bit more positive.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Here's a possible answer for you. The Mittals have been playing a very long game indeed because they are a bit more savvy that we give them credit for. They have been quite content to let the mayhem unfold while Tony Fernandes blew his pot of money and then persuaded his co-investors to blow theirs. The Mittals knew it would go spectacularly tits up at some stage at which point they buy the shares on the cheap rather than the silly prices which Fernandes probably paid on the basis he was buying a club destined for the Champions League. I know it sounds like cobblers and probably should be on the Conspiracy thread. But tell me why else they have held onto their stake in the club and not done anything to stop the madness. It's a win win. Either TF makes a great job of it and they take their cut of the profits or he ****s up badly and they are there to buy him out for peanuts when he decides to cut his losses after the disaster has unfolded.

ITK? No, I've watched too many soap operas and conspiracy drama series than is good for me

If it were true they’d have done it after the second relegation and the failure to go straight back up.

 

[DT’s Socks]

This is such a good post and sums up my own feelings, now that I have had time to calm down. I was there and am just back home, after taking a detour on my way back to Somerset.

1. We did play well for 40 minutes and, with a decent goal-scorer, we could have gone in ahead.
2. Over the 90 minutes, Baptiste was, indeed, the best of modest bunch.
3. After the first goal, and particularly after the second, our heads didn't just go down, they nearly fell off the players' shoulders.
4. I saw McClaren interviewed and he claimed our Plan B was to "go more direct" and he instructed the players accordingly at half time. Therefore, he should take the blame for such an awful second half tactic.
5. However, I think it is ludicrous that so many fans have already jumped on the "McClaren Out" bandwagon. Despite my deep embarrassment and burning anger at recent performances, I am going to give him a decent crack at turning things round. As some have admitted, we lost some good players over the Summer and failed to fill the biggest vacancy, a decent goal-scorer. None of us so clever fans knows how hard The Board and Management tried on that score and why we failed. Am I so much cleverer than SLF or Lee Hoos? I don't think so: they knew it, too, and would have been working hard within our financial constraints to fix the all-too-obvious problems. As even the Sun can see (above), the poor man (McClaren) has taken on a basket case and he needs our support, not the sort of vitriol that has been pouring out in recent days.

Those so-called fans should be ashamed. At this stage of the season, the players and management need - and deserve - our support. With Wells and Hemed now on board, we need to get behind the team and not crumble at the first sign of trouble. As RTID says, Ollie had two runs of 6 consecutive defeats (out of 3 in our entire history) and we're still in the Championship. So, lighten up guys and let's all be a bit more positive.

Great post I would like to however one point to it . Turn it around? To me he had a fresh start he came into our club with plenty of time to get things right ... not sure he has turned anything yet that wasn’t his own doing

Bit of straw grabbing me thinks and it’s not just the -11 goals. We have been thrashed in footballing terms. You can turn a turd but it’s still a turd

Still new players in means an extension in turning it. Heading in the wrong direction is the fault of the man with the map and it’s currently upside down imo

 

[DT’s Socks]

This is such a good post and sums up my own feelings, now that I have had time to calm down. I was there and am just back home, after taking a detour on my way back to Somerset.

1. We did play well for 40 minutes and, with a decent goal-scorer, we could have gone in ahead.
2. Over the 90 minutes, Baptiste was, indeed, the best of modest bunch.
3. After the first goal, and particularly after the second, our heads didn't just go down, they nearly fell off the players' shoulders.
4. I saw McClaren interviewed and he claimed our Plan B was to "go more direct" and he instructed the players accordingly at half time. Therefore, he should take the blame for such an awful second half tactic.
5. However, I think it is ludicrous that so many fans have already jumped on the "McClaren Out" bandwagon. Despite my deep embarrassment and burning anger at recent performances, I am going to give him a decent crack at turning things round. As some have admitted, we lost some good players over the Summer and failed to fill the biggest vacancy, a decent goal-scorer. None of us so clever fans knows how hard The Board and Management tried on that score and why we failed. Am I so much cleverer than SLF or Lee Hoos? I don't think so: they knew it, too, and would have been working hard within our financial constraints to fix the all-too-obvious problems. As even the Sun can see (above), the poor man (McClaren) has taken on a basket case and he needs our support, not the sort of vitriol that has been pouring out in recent days.

Those so-called fans should be ashamed. At this stage of the season, the players and management need - and deserve - our support. With Wells and Hemed now on board, we need to get behind the team and not crumble at the first sign of trouble. As RTID says, Ollie had two runs of 6 consecutive defeats (out of 3 in our entire history) and we're still in the Championship. So, lighten up guys and let's all be a bit more positive.

There is no proof that anyone has worked hard or hasn’t worked at all. Results are all that matters off the pitch. My snapshot inside the club was shocking I think they actually believe themselves

The club has been run in a manner not fit for purpose and the facts cannot be masked anymore. Anyone read the official website copy ... the tone of voice is dreadful as if the powers that be are intentionally covering up.

I think it’s time that we all unite against this and that is happening on this forum

No place for fluff if you are angry then it’s natural accept the energy as a force imo

Don’t bulllshit yourself into getting all yoda

This is where we are ... the bottom maybe who knows ? Imo not a time to get all logical and zen out ... I used to do that until I realised where we are heading

Anger is an energy

3 points against Wigan
Good performance

Minimum Requirements imo or he goes and we don’t waste anytime with him learning football. I hope he is hung out to dry

Ask Newcastle or Forest fans in fact I may do that now

 

[sb_73]

If it were true they’d have done it after the second relegation and the failure to go straight back up.

Some odd thinking going on amongst some of our colleagues. Mittal bought a 30% share from his friends, Ecclestone and Briatore, who are both criminals. He had never been to the club, had no interest in football, so I can only assume that it was a gift for his new son in law, and a much cheaper gift than the wedding he paid for.

So, as a significant shareholder he sat and watched while Fernandes et al make mistake after mistake, presumably supported by Bhatia, until the cost became a little irritating. Then he took his shareholding down to 11% (Again, presumably gave them to the others, because having shares in QPR is a liability not an asset, it exposes you to having to shell out to keep the place going. The shares have no actual value, quite the reverse). If I remember correctly Mittal also got some of what he had loaned the club paid back, unlike the others.

Doesn’t smack of a long term strategy to own the club at all to me. More of a half hearted attempt to get out of it. If you want to own something you don’t reduce your stake in it. If you want it to be successful you don’t let a bunch of fools run wild in managing it. Mittal has zero interest in QPR, we are a rounding error on his accounts, Bhatia is Fernandes’ mate and completely complicit in where we are today.

And where we are today means we are dependent on their goodwill to keep bunging a few extra quid in every month to pay the bills. We are stuck with them unless there are even bigger idiots out there.

 

[DT’s Socks]

There is no proof that anyone has worked hard or hasn’t worked at all. Results are all that matters off the pitch. My snapshot inside the club was shocking I think they actually believe themselves

The club has been run in a manner not fit for purpose and the facts cannot be masked anymore. Anyone read the official website copy ... the tone of voice is dreadful as if the powers that be are intentionally covering up.

I think it’s time that we all unite against this and that is happening on this forum

No place for fluff if you are angry then it’s natural accept the energy as a force imo

Don’t bulllshit yourself into getting all yoda

This is where we are ... the bottom maybe who knows ? Imo not a time to get all logical and zen out ... I used to do that until I realised where we are heading

Anger is an energy

3 points against Wigan
Good performance

Minimum Requirements imo or he goes and we don’t waste anytime with him learning football. I hope he is hung out to dry

Ask Newcastle or Forest fans in fact I may do that now

Asked the lads on the Newcastle board with a new thread

They had started one already doesn’t look like he is appreciated

 

[bobmid]

This is such a good post and sums up my own feelings, now that I have had time to calm down. I was there and am just back home, after taking a detour on my way back to Somerset.

1. We did play well for 40 minutes and, with a decent goal-scorer, we could have gone in ahead.
2. Over the 90 minutes, Baptiste was, indeed, the best of modest bunch.
3. After the first goal, and particularly after the second, our heads didn't just go down, they nearly fell off the players' shoulders.
4. I saw McClaren interviewed and he claimed our Plan B was to "go more direct" and he instructed the players accordingly at half time. Therefore, he should take the blame for such an awful second half tactic.
5. However, I think it is ludicrous that so many fans have already jumped on the "McClaren Out" bandwagon. Despite my deep embarrassment and burning anger at recent performances, I am going to give him a decent crack at turning things round. As some have admitted, we lost some good players over the Summer and failed to fill the biggest vacancy, a decent goal-scorer. None of us so clever fans knows how hard The Board and Management tried on that score and why we failed. Am I so much cleverer than SLF or Lee Hoos? I don't think so: they knew it, too, and would have been working hard within our financial constraints to fix the all-too-obvious problems. As even the Sun can see (above), the poor man (McClaren) has taken on a basket case and he needs our support, not the sort of vitriol that has been pouring out in recent days.

Those so-called fans should be ashamed. At this stage of the season, the players and management need - and deserve - our support. With Wells and Hemed now on board, we need to get behind the team and not crumble at the first sign of trouble. As RTID says, Ollie had two runs of 6 consecutive defeats (out of 3 in our entire history) and we're still in the Championship. So, lighten up guys and let's all be a bit more positive.

Very good post but totally disagree about supporters should feel ashamed and that they deserve our support! These players probably earn more in a couple of weeks than I do in a year. I haven't called for Steve's head, at present I would call for some of the players heads first. WE as fans DESERVE more from them than they do from us. 7-1 just remember that scoreline. I will continue to spend my money which is more hard earned than theirs, to travel and support my team, all I ask is that we don't roll over and collapse!!

 

[DT’s Socks]

Some odd thinking going on amongst some of our colleagues. Mittal bought a 30% share from his friends, Ecclestone and Briatore, who are both criminals. He had never been to the club, had no interest in football, so I can only assume that it was a gift for his new son in law, and a much cheaper gift than the wedding he paid for.

So, as a significant shareholder he sat and watched while Fernandes et al make mistake after mistake, presumably supported by Bhatia, until the cost became a little irritating. Then he took his shareholding down to 11% (Again, presumably gave them to the others, because having shares in QPR is a liability not an asset, it exposes you to having to shell out to keep the place going. The shares have no actual value, quite the reverse). If I remember correctly Mittal also got some of what he had loaned the club paid back, unlike the others.

Doesn’t smack of a long term strategy to own the club at all to me. More of a half hearted attempt to get out of it. If you want to own something you don’t reduce your stake in it. If you want it to be successful you don’t let a bunch of fools run wild in managing it. Mittal has zero interest in QPR, we are a rounding error on his accounts, Bhatia is Fernandes’ mate and completely complicit in where we are today.

And where we are today means we are dependent on their goodwill to keep bunging a few extra quid in every month to pay the bills. We are stuck with them unless there are even bigger idiots out there.

There will be when the price and time is right

 

[DT’s Socks]

Very good post but totally disagree about supporters should feel ashamed and that they deserve our support! These players probably earn more in a couple of weeks than I do in a year. I haven't called for Steve's head, at present I would call for some of the players heads first. WE as fans DESERVE more from them than they do from us. 7-1 just remember that scoreline. I will continue to spend my money which is more hard earned than theirs, to travel and support my team, all I ask is that we don't roll over and collapse!!

Well you can always pick up your hawk and get on the spread £600 a day?

I am at last on finishing render

 

[DT’s Socks]

https://www.not606.com/threads/help-us-please.366435/#post-12060885

Uber for manager
Mustard Slacks ... nice

 

[bobmid]

Well you can always pick up your hawk and get on the spread £600 a day?

I am at last on finishing render

600 a day?? Is that in dream land.

 

[bobmid]

Well you can always pick up your hawk and get on the spread £600 a day?

I am at last on finishing render

I pick up my hawk most days mate and just coach on 3 evenings a week now. Became dissolutioned with Football and where it's going. The prices quoted to do my UEFA 'a' were beyond ridiculous and with no guarantee of a better post for doing it. But 600 a day DT....come on now

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Some odd thinking going on amongst some of our colleagues. Mittal bought a 30% share from his friends, Ecclestone and Briatore, who are both criminals. He had never been to the club, had no interest in football, so I can only assume that it was a gift for his new son in law, and a much cheaper gift than the wedding he paid for.

So, as a significant shareholder he sat and watched while Fernandes et al make mistake after mistake, presumably supported by Bhatia, until the cost became a little irritating. Then he took his shareholding down to 11% (Again, presumably gave them to the others, because having shares in QPR is a liability not an asset, it exposes you to having to shell out to keep the place going. The shares have no actual value, quite the reverse). If I remember correctly Mittal also got some of what he had loaned the club paid back, unlike the others.

Doesn’t smack of a long term strategy to own the club at all to me. More of a half hearted attempt to get out of it. If you want to own something you don’t reduce your stake in it. If you want it to be successful you don’t let a bunch of fools run wild in managing it. Mittal has zero interest in QPR, we are a rounding error on his accounts, Bhatia is Fernandes’ mate and completely complicit in where we are today.

And where we are today means we are dependent on their goodwill to keep bunging a few extra quid in every month to pay the bills. We are stuck with them unless there are even bigger idiots out there.

The Mittals were instrumental in bringing in Warnock. My recollection is that Mittal wanted to buy out Eccles and Briatore, but pissed them off by preempting their decision to sell. They went off to find an idiot with lots of money to waste and found Fernandes.

As you say, Mittal sat as a minority shareholder under Fernandes, but as mismanagement continued, got frustrated (who wouldn't?) and reduced his stake.

There may or may not be a residue of Mittal interest in buying the club if Tony and Ruben bail out. Given Amit's continued interest and current role, I'd say Mittal interest could be revived.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

The Mittals were instrumental in bringing in Warnock. My recollection is that Mittal wanted to buy out Eccles and Briatore, but pissed them off by preempting their decision to sell. They went off to find an idiot with lots of money to waste and found Fernandes.

As you say, Mittal sat as a minority shareholder under Fernandes, but as mismanagement continued, got frustrated (who wouldn't?) and reduced his stake.

There may or may not be a residue of Mittal interest in buying the club if Tony and Ruben bail out. Given Amit's continued interest and current role, I'd say Mittal interest could be revived.

In an ideal world I’d like a fresh pair of eyes looking all over the administration of the club. Some tough no-nonsense chairman-cum-owner that’s maybe done it before. Perma-tanned is optional.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

In an ideal world I’d like a fresh pair of eyes looking all over the administration of the club. Some tough no-nonsense chairman-cum-owner that’s maybe done it before. Perma-tanned is optional.

Seems to me, to be a successful football owner, you need a high degree of cynicism to go with the ambition, to deal with player's demands particularly through their agents and demands from unrealistic managers. The Mittals would fit that category from what I've seen. At the moment, we have wealthy and unworldly owners, who are still prepared to throw money at the problem to mask their managerial shortcomings, but can't due to football regulations.

 

[Rodney]

Very good post but totally disagree about supporters should feel ashamed and that they deserve our support! These players probably earn more in a couple of weeks than I do in a year. I haven't called for Steve's head, at present I would call for some of the players heads first. WE as fans DESERVE more from them than they do from us. 7-1 just remember that scoreline. I will continue to spend my money which is more hard earned than theirs, to travel and support my team, all I ask is that we don't roll over and collapse!!

Don't get me wrong, I was as mad as hell during Tuesday's second half, so much so that I left in disgust before the end of the match (after the third goal), probably for the first time ever.

Having calmed down now, I think they deserve our support in the sense that the team was weakened by the Summer departures, the lack of recruitment and the time it takes to adopt the very different tactics of a new manager. No matter how much they are paid, players are human: calling them "lazy c***s" or whatever is hardly going to have a positive motivational effect. They deserve our support in that we should give them time before we rush to judgement and try to be more positive. If we get behind the group, and with the new additions, they can get us out of this hole.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Don't get me wrong, I was as mad as hell during Tuesday's second half, so much so that I left in disgust before the end of the match (after the third goal), probably for the first time ever.

Having calmed down now, I think they deserve our support in the sense that the team was weakened by the Summer departures, the lack of recruitment and the time it takes to adopt the very different tactics of a new manager. No matter how much they are paid, players are human: calling them "lazy c***s" or whatever is hardly going to have a positive motivational effect. They deserve our support in that we should give them time before we rush to judgement and try to be more positive. If we get behind the group, and with the new additions, they can get us out of this hole.

Absolutely. From what I’ve seen, the players aren’t at fault. The tactics, team selection and preparation are.

I fear the worst though tomorrow against a side fresh from a 3-0 win.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Seems to me, to be a successful football owner, you need a high degree of cynicism to go with the ambition, to deal with player's demands particularly through their agents and demands from unrealistic managers. The Mittals would fit that category from what I've seen. At the moment, we have wealthy and unworldly owners, who are still prepared to throw money at the problem to mask their managerial shortcomings, but can't due to football regulations.

My experience of high net worth individuals - and I work with a great many, but sadly do not rank among them - is that it doesn’t matter how relatively small the sum invested anywhere compared to their overall wealth, they still watch every penny invested like hawks and demand decent management and a decent return.

Surely Lakshmi and his entourage haven’t sat on their hands whilst Useless Tony burned their cash?

This is such a big thing for me: how the hell could a handful of seemingly intelligent industry moguls **** this club up so spectacularly?

In my ideal world I wouldn’t want them anywhere near this club in the future.

Fresh administration, fresh eyes, please.

Sharpish.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

My experience of high net worth individuals - and I work with a great many, but sadly do not rank among them - is that it doesn’t matter how relatively small the sum invested anywhere compared to their overall wealth, they still watch every penny invested like hawks and demand decent management and a decent return.

Surely Lakshmi and his entourage haven’t sat on their hands whilst Useless Tony burned their cash?

This is such a big thing for me: how the hell could a handful of seemingly intelligent industry moguls **** this club up so spectacularly?

In my ideal world I wouldn’t want them anywhere near this club in the future.

Fresh administration, fresh eyes, please.

Sharpish.

Tony was like a kid in a toy shop and used his managers like experts, when of course, they lacked objectivity and were prepared to spend his money like water to give themselves a better chance of staying in a job. The classic was Hughes who, having bought Rob Green, then decided he would bring Cesar onto the books as well. Tony trusted, and was let down. A more football-experienced owner would have said no to the Cesar purchase.

Tony Fernandes seems like a decent bloke, probably too decent for football. Like you, I've reached the conclusion we'd be better off with different owners. Sure, there could probably be worse owners. Asset strippers. But that's not a great test, is it?

 

[WBA2_QPR3]

I read somewhere an interview with Swiss Tony where he said he kept in regular contact with all the ex managers employed under his regime with the exception of Hughes who he hadn't spoken with since the day he left the club

Hughes really is a mercenary