He was also pointing at posters of long lines of Immigrants, warning that they were coming our way. Don't forget his racist tactics that no doubt swayed a great many.
UKIP were a protest group, Strolls, (and since the referendum result have been deflated like a balloon). Farage was influential in getting the referendum, but where you have all the main Remain and Leave leaders saying that leaving means out of the CU and SM, that is far more influential. Farage was always the negative force. Only UKIP headbangers looked to him for future positive governmental policy
No one has personally attacked you Willy. With regards to me, I posted yesterday out of frustration re Brexit. It was not aimed at you or anyone other than the government. You then responded by attacking me and the post (which by the way I didn't mind). You disagreed with it which I am glad you did as there are always 2 sides to the argument. I then mentioned Trump (whom you clearly dislike), you then said you wouldn't debate with me. How is that a personal attack? Seriously you need work out what a personal attack is? Some of the banned posters used personal attacks. I see none here.
Farage was a big player but Cameron called for the vote. Agree Ukip was a factor but Cameron was getting a lot of stick from the Tory backbenchers and Labour Eurosceptics. 2 Tories defected to UKIP and after the local/European elections. (Also he got nothing from Brussels (surprise). Cameron was then advised to call the referendum. That was how this came about.
I don't normally wear football shirts but I dug out my Euro 96 shirt and wore it last week. It had obviously shrunk in the wash as it was a bit tight around my belly. However, I shall be wearing again tonight.
A brilliant and telling example, Goldie - of Johnson lying. https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...u-safety-regulation-in-his-resignation-letter
I have to say that I'm instinctively sceptical of an article that accuses Johnson of lying - it's headline - in other words, has deliberately told untruths. And then goes on to admit that it may be he has misremembered certain facts, which is not lying. It makes me think Channel 4 News has a bias, which of course it has. Jon Snow is further to the left than Corbyn I can't comment on the facts. Hopefully, Boris will respond since he's been accused of lying. I do note that the article does not dispute (last paragraph) that there was a delay of a year in getting the safety regulations in place caused by EU membership. And presumably, given the rate of cycling accidents, avoidable deaths may have resulted in that time. I'm not particularly critical of laws coming out of the EU (though I am wary of MNC's lobbying, which can be a form of bribery). The biggest issue for me is control of borders. That's not something O'Brien is bothered about because he's so pro-immigration that he is essentially a No-Borders champion. For me, such matters should be a matter for the UK Parliament to control the rate of immigration. I think this was a major factor in the Brexit vote.
He's never been a devil for detail, I agree. It's a weakness, but I cannot believe he's misrepresented the position on cyclists in his resignation letter which he would have known would be scrutinised by the whole of the media. We need the next installment
Yes, it was damn foolhardy, but I rejoice in their rescue all the same. I agree the coach has questions to answer. These things do occur to me on an occasional basis.
Agreed. This from CNN: "Ekkapol Ake Chantawong, the 25-year-old coach of the Wild Boars soccer team, has been criticized by some for what is perceived to be an act of supreme recklessness. Why did he, the adult tasked with taking care of 12 young children, decide to lead the group into a dangerous, forbidden network of underground tunnels, known to flood at this time of year?"
It really doesn't seem Never has there been a more amusing, useless entertainer than Boris. He trips himself more than neymar!!
Ekapol Chanthawong (the coach) lost his whole family as a child. He trained as a monk and then devoted his life to helping kids. According to rescue officials, he is among the weakest in the group because he gave the boys his share of the limited food and water they had with them before they were found. He also taught the boys how to meditate and how to conserve as much energy as possible until they were found. He kept 12 children alive in a cave without food or light for 9 days. The signage in the cave states that the rainy season is July to September. They entered the caves in June - then the rains started, very early and very heavily. It was one of those things, and he did a fantastic job keeping the boys alive and positive until they were found. Chanthawong was also the last to be rescued, making sure all 12 boys got out safely before he came out.
If you are going to criticize on this basis, then it is logical to also blame the parents for allowing their kids to go on this trip. I have no idea about the regulations in Thailand but in most countries it would also be obligatory to inform some authorities with a route plan before going, as for a mountaineering expedition - at any rate somebody on the outside must have been informed and given permission. So if fault is to be given then it must be shared over a larger group of people. Best to just celebrate the fact that they are still alive, and also to commend the trainer for helping to get the kids through this in the way he did.
Certainly - celebrate the fact that they are all alive. That's a given. I don't know the facts about the parents. I don't know whether the trainer exceeded the parents' authority. He owed a duty of care to the kids. I don't know whether he behaved reasonably - but questions must be asked.
