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[The Raging Oxter]

Its a question, im not making a point with it.

A simple yes or no answer is all you have to give.

So yes or no?

What difference does it make you ****ing imbecile?!?

Politicians lie. I've said it twice already. It does mean your madcap, fantasist, ****ing loony theories are in any way correct.

God give me strength!

 

[eddieveeee]

"it is highly unlikely that the steel at the WTC experienced temperatures above the 750–800°C range"

Did you not just prove the point then?

 

[The Raging Oxter]

Could easily have been muslim terrorists believing they were acting in a muslim terrorist ploe but who was actually pulling the strings of the operations was a mystery. Look im not getting into the nitty gritty of this as there are several methods it could have been executed and all are THEORIES but that doesnt mean they can be dismissed out of hand. There are a variety of ways this could have been pulled off

Seriously, get to **** you absolute ****ing nutter.

 

[eddieveeee]

ST, your answer "politicians lie" would be an acceptable answer if I asked you the question, Do politicians lie?

The question that I did infact ask was, and I quote, "Can you honestly tell me that you believe 100% what they told you about 9/11?"

Answer
a. yes - I believe everything they told me about 9/11
b. no - I do not believe everything they told me about 9/11

 

[Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction]

1. In combustion science, there are three basic types of flames, namely, a jet burner, a pre-mixed flame, and a diffuse flame. A jet burner generally involves mixing the fuel and the oxidant in nearly stoichiometric proportions and igniting the mixture in a constant-volume chamber. Since the combustion products cannot expand in the constant-volume chamber, they exit the chamber as a very high velocity, fully combusted, jet. This is what occurs in a jet engine, and this is the flame type that generates the most intense heat.

In a pre-mixed flame, the same nearly stoichiometric mixture is ignited as it exits a nozzle, under constant pressure conditions. It does not attain the flame velocities of a jet burner. An oxyacetylene torch or a Bunsen burner is a pre-mixed flame.

In a diffuse flame, the fuel and the oxidant are not mixed before ignition, but flow together in an uncontrolled manner and combust when the fuel/oxidant ratios reach values within the flammable range. A fireplace flame is a diffuse flame burning in air, as was the WTC fire.

Diffuse flames generate the lowest heat intensities of the three flame types.

If the fuel and the oxidant start at ambient temperature, a maximum flame temperature can be defined. For carbon burning in pure oxygen, the maximum is 3,200°C; for hydrogen it is 2,750°C. Thus, for virtually any hydrocarbons, the maximum flame temperature, starting at ambient temperature and using pure oxygen, is approximately 3,000°C.

This maximum flame temperature is reduced by two-thirds if air is used rather than pure oxygen. The reason is that every molecule of oxygen releases the heat of formation of a molecule of carbon monoxide and a molecule of water. If pure oxygen is used, this heat only needs to heat two molecules (carbon monoxide and water), while with air, these two molecules must be heated plus four molecules of nitrogen. Thus, burning hydrocarbons in air produces only one-third the temperature increase as burning in pure oxygen because three times as many molecules must be heated when air is used. The maximum flame temperature increase for burning hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1,000°C—hardly sufficient to melt steel at 1,500°C.

But it is very difficult to reach this maximum temperature with a diffuse flame. There is nothing to ensure that the fuel and air in a diffuse flame are mixed in the best ratio. Typically, diffuse flames are fuel rich, meaning that the excess fuel molecules, which are unburned, must also be heated. It is known that most diffuse fires are fuel rich because blowing on a campfire or using a blacksmith’s bellows increases the rate of combustion by adding more oxygen. This fuel-rich diffuse flame can drop the temperature by up to a factor of two again. This is why the temperatures in a residential fire are usually in the 500°C to 650°C range.

It is known that the WTC fire was a fuel-rich, diffuse flame as evidenced by the copious black smoke. Soot is generated by incompletely burned fuel; hence, the WTC fire was fuel rich—hardly surprising with 90,000 L of jet fuel available. Factors such as flame volume and quantity of soot decrease the radiative heat loss in the fire, moving the temperature closer to the maximum of 1,000°C. However, it is highly unlikely that the steel at the WTC experienced temperatures above the 750–800°C range. All reports that the steel melted at 1,500°C are using imprecise terminology at best.

So you have basically said what I have said. The actual fire temp could not have heated the steel beyond 700 - 800 degrees. But there is footage of melting steel cascading down the side of the tower. what was melting that particular area of steel

Those steel balls could not just be there in 1.2m tonnes of rubble. they are formed in a very specific way, not by a massive building collapse

 

[The Raging Oxter]

Do I believe they lied? They most certainly lied AFTER the terrorist attack. They took advantage of the situation to push through right-wing legislation.

Do I believe they lied to cover up some huge conspiracy? No, because I'm sane

 

[Medro]

Medro, Mr Alien Ghost Moonlanding Man, what other conspiracies are these? I have answered your questions in seperate posts and told you to check your beloved NIST for the latest theory - shows how cluieless you are on this topic.

JFK was killed by the US government, Al Quaeda doesn't exist, the CIA are responsible for heroin production, the holocaust figures were exagerated, to name a few though I'm sure you've banged on about more.

You told me the NIST have a new theory and that you've done hundreds of hours of research. Why don't you just tell me what their revised theory is now that the pancake was theory was proved wrong?

 

[eddieveeee]

Are you a politician ST?

Answer the question,, its a simple yes or no asnwer, I didnt ask you if you think they took advantage of the situation after the attack.

Its very easy

DO you believe everything they told you about 9/11.

Yes or No

 

[Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction]

Seriously, get to **** you absolute ****ing nutter.

He asked a question who flew the planes? How the **** am I supposed to know. Just because you find holes in the official account and demand answers doesnt mean that you should be expected to the provide the answers, all you can do is show possible scenarios to how it could have played out differently to the official account

 

[Medro]

So you have basically said what I have said. The actual fire temp could not have heated the steel beyond 700 - 800 degrees. But there is footage of melting steel cascading down the side of the tower. what was melting that particular area of steel

Those steel balls could not just be there in 1.2m tonnes of rubble. they are formed in a very specific way, not by a massive building collapse

Thats copied from a website that claims that the fire could have been 1000 degrees. What I said in the 1st place.

So you say there no possible way that balls of iron or steel can be formed in 1.2m tonnes of rubble. No chance at all?

Also the pentagon crash. If it wasn't a plane where the witnesses also in on the conspiracy. Did any witnesses speak about seeing anything else that wasn't a plane?

 

[The Raging Oxter]

He asked a question who flew the planes? How the **** am I supposed to know. Just because you find holes in the official account and demand answers doesnt mean that you should be expected to the provide the answers, all you can do is show possible scenarios to how it could have played out differently to the official account

He asked who the planes and you come out with ****e like:

Could easily have been muslim terrorists believing they were acting in a muslim terrorist ploe

You just talk utter nonsense.

 

[VenomPD]

Is this insanity still going?

Seriously, what would the benefit be for a Western government to destroy one of their most important financial centres?

I can just imagine the meeting of the joint chiefs of staff.

"Shall we blow up some buildings using the most elaborate plot ever imagined and blame it on some fanatical Muslim nutters?"

"Sure, why not?"

 

[Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction]

Thats copied from a website that claims that the fire could have been 1000 degrees. What I said in the 1st place.

So you say there no possible way that balls of iron or steel can be formed in 1.2m tonnes of rubble. No chance at all?

Also the pentagon crash. If it wasn't a plane where the witnesses also in on the conspiracy. Did any witnesses speak about seeing anything else that wasn't a plane?

No, the balls happens through melting and rapid cooling only. When in a destructive environment steel will sheer and there will be small shards. Like iron filings etc, not balls that give all the appearance of something that was shaped by its own surface tension

 

[eddieveeee]

What benefits?

I am not even going to answer that

 

[eddieveeee]

ST - Do you believe everything they told you about 9/11?

Yes or No

 

[Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction]

He asked who the planes and you come out with ****e like:



You just talk utter nonsense.

as I explained already before, they are possible scenarios. You have yet to provide a credible arguement ST for all your "you talk nonsense". For someone who acts like they have a superior intellect you come across a bit clueless most of the time. My guess is your lack of constructive contribution to the debate is to do with a complete lack of any knowledge of the issue. If so, butt out

 

[The Raging Oxter]

ST - Do you believe everything they told you about 9/11?

Yes or No

I've already answered your questions you loony ****. Now **** off.

 

[VenomPD]

I fairly sure if America wanted to invade Iraq they could have found a far less contrived way of doing it.

They had plenty of opportunities over the years before even the first Gulf War. It was alleged by David Yallop in his book "To the Ends of the Earth" that Saddam Hussein paid Carlos "The Jackal" to carry out the OPEC attack. Although Carlos has always said it was Gaddafi; he's a lying ****.

You are a sad Not606 version of the Unabomber. Although instead of having an isolated log cabin you're sitting in a child's Wendy house with a laptop, furiously ****ing and posting pictures of melted steel.

 

[eddieveeee]

JFK was killed by the US government, Al Quaeda doesn't exist, the CIA are responsible for heroin production, the holocaust figures were exagerated, to name a few though I'm sure you've banged on about more.

You told me the NIST have a new theory and that you've done hundreds of hours of research. Why don't you just tell me what their revised theory is now that the pancake was theory was proved wrong?

You admitted yoursel that you think CIA where involved in the murder of JFK

Al Qaeda does not exist as an organistation, until there is proof of an organisation called AL Qaeda, I will stand by that.

CIA are responsible for heroin distribution. Not production.

I never said the holocaust figures where exaggerated but Zionist jews do have a habit of exaggerating offences against jews.

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/

 

[eddieveeee]

Venom, stick to uses for sheep and the other subjects that you know about