I think it's more likely that Rodwell will be crowd surfing after the last game of the season.
Ellis Short
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I think it's more likely that Rodwell will be crowd surfing after the last game of the season.
I actually agree with you here - are you feeling ok?
Clearly the debt is an awesome thing to have done and puts you in a fantastic position I didn't think was possible just a few days ago. I honestly thought administration was looming and that would scupper you, it's brilliant news. Fans will return soon enough, it's a mood changer and I'm trying to believe Short has done it in the belief the new owners can take the club in the right direction.
Yeah after the dust has settled and if it’s true he’s left us debt free fair play to the bloke he’s defo been one of the better chairman that have been here just a shame he never pumped a couple mill out way last season and saved us eh 
As great a gesture that clearing the debt is i still can't bring myself to be thankful to the guy. I think he the best of intentions initially but has plunged this club into turmoil from top to bottom with his persistent mismanagement of the club. He has overseen us in consecutive relegations, had our pride as a club torn to shreds and driven many passionate lifelong fans to indifference, i just see what he has done as unforgivable regardlesshow much debt he has written off.
I can’t blame the guy for trying and actually when you look at the appointments certainly the first few the vast majority of us agreed they were good. I honestly think he tried his best for a long time and only at the end did he want to be out and it got really bad. I bare the guy no ill will at all, who knows where we could of been without him, possibly higher but also possible out of business. Just hope this restart is good next season and we all get to enjoy football again instead of the pantomime on and off it.
I'm not thanking him, he was rubbish, I know he had good intentions, but I never claimed he was intentionally trying to sabotage us.
Managers have been treated a lot worse when they've had good intentions and weren't thanked afterward. Looks at Moyes treatment then and now.
Nah, No double standards for me, he was a disaster and I'm glad he's gone and I will not thank him for setting us back 30 years. I've been saying for years he should do the honorable thing regarding our debts but he allowed us to be relegated twice before he lifted a finger, Thank you? No **** off! He was as bad with money as he was without out it. I will not thank him for ruining our club. EVER!
Managers have been treated a lot worse when they've had good intentions and weren't thanked afterward. Looks at Moyes treatment then and now.
Nah, No double standards for me, he was a disaster and I'm glad he's gone and I will not thank him for setting us back 30 years. I've been saying for years he should do the honorable thing regarding our debts but he allowed us to be relegated twice before he lifted a finger, Thank you? No **** off! He was as bad with money as he was without out it. I will not thank him for ruining our club. EVER!
There's a small article on the BBC website ( sorry don't know how to transfer it into here) which features Poyet and Grayson and they both back Short especially Poyet who states the problems within the club are not Short's doing but doesn't allude to what the problems are.
Grayson claims the chairman ploughed £ 200 million into the club which shows his commitment to the club.
Funny that two of previous managers think Short is the good guy in all of this so is the blame mainly down to O'Shea and Cattermole and a toxic dressing room?
Anybody got any ideas?
Grayson claims the chairman ploughed £ 200 million into the club which shows his commitment to the club.
Funny that two of previous managers think Short is the good guy in all of this so is the blame mainly down to O'Shea and Cattermole and a toxic dressing room?
Anybody got any ideas?
Kieron Maguire on the BBC
By writing off the club's debts, outgoing chairman Ellis Short has given Sunderland's new owners "a clean sheet", says University of Liverpool football finance expert Kieran Maguire.
A consortium led by Eastleigh's Stewart Donald will take over the club, subject to English Football League approval.
After successive relegations, the Black Cats will play in the third tier for the first time in 30 years next season.
"Sunderland should be very successful in League One," Maguire said.
"It's a completely different financial environment to operate in. Half of the clubs in League One didn't pay any money at all for transfer fees last season.
"So, with Sunderland's Premier League parachute payments, there is actually the opportunity in League One to probably regroup in a better way than in the Championship itself.
"The debts were £140m. They were paying £130,000 a week in interest on bank loans to an American company. So, if Ellis Short has taken over that loan, then fair play to him."
Maguire described Short's nine-year reign as a "car crash", but will the American businessman's parting financial gift to the Black Cats prove to be his most important contribution?
or was it this
Six wins over Newcastle
Despite Sunderland's recent downward spiral, their fans have still enjoyed some local bragging rights of sorts, being unbeaten in the Tyne-Wear derby since 2011.
In the Short era, Sunderland enjoyed six wins from 12 games against rivals Newcastle, losing just twice.
And three of the Black Cats' recent derby victories came by a 3-0 scoreline.
By writing off the club's debts, outgoing chairman Ellis Short has given Sunderland's new owners "a clean sheet", says University of Liverpool football finance expert Kieran Maguire.
A consortium led by Eastleigh's Stewart Donald will take over the club, subject to English Football League approval.
After successive relegations, the Black Cats will play in the third tier for the first time in 30 years next season.
"Sunderland should be very successful in League One," Maguire said.
"It's a completely different financial environment to operate in. Half of the clubs in League One didn't pay any money at all for transfer fees last season.
"So, with Sunderland's Premier League parachute payments, there is actually the opportunity in League One to probably regroup in a better way than in the Championship itself.
"The debts were £140m. They were paying £130,000 a week in interest on bank loans to an American company. So, if Ellis Short has taken over that loan, then fair play to him."
Maguire described Short's nine-year reign as a "car crash", but will the American businessman's parting financial gift to the Black Cats prove to be his most important contribution?
or was it this
Six wins over Newcastle
Despite Sunderland's recent downward spiral, their fans have still enjoyed some local bragging rights of sorts, being unbeaten in the Tyne-Wear derby since 2011.
In the Short era, Sunderland enjoyed six wins from 12 games against rivals Newcastle, losing just twice.
And three of the Black Cats' recent derby victories came by a 3-0 scoreline.
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Yet again I am not in the know
But Ellis short is a asstuit business man
And he will be coming away from Safc
In his favour
But Ellis short is a asstuit business man
And he will be coming away from Safc
In his favour
I've always maintained it's not all Shorts fault and that there's other factors that have brought us to our knees.
Our former managers know better than anybody on here, so it's good to hear their versions.
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Sunderland's turmoil after back-to-back relegations has nothing to do with outgoing owner Ellis Short, says former manager Gus Poyet.
The Black Cats will play in the third tier for the first time in 30 years next season, while Short has agreed a long-awaited sale of the club.
"There is something inside the club that doesn't let it be as successful as it should be," Poyet told BBC Sport.
"I don't think it is anything to do with Ellis Short."
The Uruguayan said the current situation is "incredible", adding: "It hurts a lot because I had a great time there."
Poyet was one of nine managers during Short's reign but was sacked in 2015 with the club 17th in the Premier League.
Short has owned Sunderland for nine years and during his time in charge the club repeatedly escaped relegation from the top flight before finally dropping out of the Premier League last season as the bottom side, before suffering the same fate in the Championship this campaign.
The American has been heavily criticised in recent seasons for a lack of spending and a distant relationship with the club as he tried to sell - manager Chris Coleman, who was sacked on Sunday following relegation from the Championship, claimed he did not speak to Short during his six months in charge.
'I had a fantastic time'
But Poyet said he has "no complaints" about his relationship with Short.
"We always talked regularly when he was in England, London, Sunderland or in America," Poyet said.
"When you change the manager many times and it doesn't get better, then people blame the directors and the chairman.
"I had a fantastic time with him when I was there. We were always very honest to each other, he knows what I think about everything that was happening there and it is fantastic for him to remember those things I said to him and that will stay between us."
Poyet took charge of Sunderland in October 2013 with the club bottom of the Premier League.
Four victories and a draw from their final six league games helped keep them up - a run that included wins at Chelsea and Manchester United, plus a draw at Manchester City.
The Uruguayan also led the Wearsiders to the 2014 Capital One Cup final, which they lost to City.
Former manager Simon Grayson, who started this season in charge of the club, added: "It's very difficult to solely put the blame on Ellis because he's invested something like £200m into a football club and anybody who invests that sort of money has a real affinity with a club."
Former manager Simon Grayson, who started this season in charge of the club, added: "It's very difficult to solely put the blame on Ellis because he's invested something like £200m into a football club and anybody who invests that sort of money has a real affinity with a club."
Real infinity how way man he is a billionaire only interested in money
He couldn’t care a less about sunderland and it’s supporters and infrastructure
It was all about money for him
Real infinity how way man he is a billionaire only interested in money
He couldn’t care a less about sunderland and it’s supporters and infrastructure
It was all about money for him
He put us in the clarts in the first place, made us take a loan from his own bank, at an exuberant rate, it was costing us 130,000 per week just our interest payments would have paid him back already, a slimy **** doesn't change overnight, there is more to this than meets the eye.
Sorry but your arithmetic doesn't stand up.
In general terms the interest payment amounts to around £7 mil PA.
On a debt of £140mil that means about 5%.
That's not excessive particularly when you consider our 'basket case ' finances.
He has been in charge for nine years and if we assume that the debt has crept up gradually the interest over that period would be around £32mil, well short of the quoted £140mil.
As for your conclusion that there is more to this than meets the eye, you may well be correct, but that's not our problem.
I'm one of those who doesn't look a gift horse in the gob.
Way too secretive and trigger happy, on occassions, he did try, but was let down by some managers who failed to deliver when the backing was there, cant blame him for wanting out, or tightening the purse strings, still have a lot of dead weight at the club, but hopefully they are on the way out.
Fingers crossed this new guy is clear them all out and start afresh.
O'Shea, Catts, Rodwell for starters.