Ellis Short

[Saf]

He said he'll be back at the SOL to watch Sunderland. How does everybody feel about that?

I kinda had his back until the second half of this season when he'd totally given up with the club. I still maintain though, he's been very unlucky and his backing to the club, deserved more. It all went wrong in the boardroom and the running of the club, for me. Most managers at the time made sense, but all after promising starts seemed to be restricted to push the club on.

The reality is, he kept our club going with his funding of it. A lesser man would have walked away and entered the club into administration. He has spent millions of his money trying to make it work, but running a football club doesn't seem right for him. He did give us our longest run in top flight football for god knows how many decades.

Writing the debt off, on his way out, is a fantastic gesture. I wouldn't give him any stick.

How does everybody feel now that it is all sorted?

 

[cumbrianmackem]

This has happened so quickly I'm not sure I can believe everything Short has said today.
As others have said a few days ago the scenario was he still had fingers in our pie after selling on and now he's turned full circle and made us debt free.
I struggle to accept this as reported and will wait to see how this all pans out.
None of us know what's going on behind the scenes even our new owner recently stated he wouldn't be buying us as he couldn't ditch Eastleigh (or words to that effect).
Now he's turned full circle like Short and it just doesn't ring true for a sceptic like me whose followed this train crash of a club nearly sixty years.
I sincerely hope this is all good news and as next week unfolds it's all explained to us fans in words we can all understand.
Should also like the new owner to explain the thinking behind Coleman going with just one game to go.
Do they already have a new manager to step up after our season finishes next Sunday, let's hope so.

I don't want to seem ultra negative but how many false dawns have we woken up too supporting this club.

 

[polyphemus]

I wonder when exactly, the deal will go through?

If we really are debt free and the transfer is completed before our Parachute Payment is due to be paid, we could even begin with 'cash in hand'.

IF this was to happen, Mr Short would be a latter day Santa.

 

[Burly Hurley]

We don't know the full details yet but on the face of it he does appear to have made a massive decision to clear the debt to make things happen.

If he has indeed done that, whilst it doesn't take away the damage done over the last 7 or 8 years, its still something to be very much appreciated by us in order for us to move on.

I've also no doubt that there'll probably be tax incentives that have allowed him to take that hit.

But that's just old cynical me!

 

[Vincemac]

I wonder when exactly, the deal will go through?

If we really are debt free and the transfer is completed before our Parachute Payment is due to be paid, we could even begin with 'cash in hand'.

IF this was to happen, Mr Short would be a latter day Santa.

I know nowt I’m on the piss in Gdansk
But short will take all the money
You can be sure of that

 

[The Little General]

Where did it go wrong ?

He at least tried

Bent
Gyan
Sessegnon
Johnson
Fletcher
Richardson

BRUCE, O'NEIL
Why we will never know,

 

[dansafcman]

I wonder when exactly, the deal will go through?

If we really are debt free and the transfer is completed before our Parachute Payment is due to be paid, we could even begin with 'cash in hand'.

IF this was to happen, Mr Short would be a latter day Santa.

I think efl approval is just a formality in this case. He's just got to prove he's selling Eastleigh. So it should be a quick one to get through.
Might be wrong though.

Overview of the owner tests if anyone interested (pdf file) : https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAJegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3ZOR8NTmuW6Txuydmta9nn

 

[Nads]

Aye, now that he’s away and left us in a solid state, it’s worth remembering there was a point where he backed the living **** out of the club.

With better staff on the financial side and a small amount of fortune it could have very much gone the other way.

Onwards.

 

[monty987]

I'm grateful that we have not gone into admin, and if no debt brilliant. We will be back, and get 40,000 plus back in the championship.

 

[Saf]

I know nowt I’m on the piss in Gdansk
But short will take all the money
You can be sure of that

Have a good one, Vince

 

[mackemwelder]

He said he'll be back at the SOL to watch Sunderland. How does everybody feel about that?

I kinda had his back until the second half of this season when he'd totally given up with the club. I still maintain though, he's been very unlucky and his backing to the club, deserved more. It all went wrong in the boardroom and the running of the club, for me. Most managers at the time made sense, but all after promising starts seemed to be restricted to push the club on.

The reality is, he kept our club going with his funding of it. A lesser man would have walked away and entered the club into administration. He has spent millions of his money trying to make it work, but running a football club doesn't seem right for him. He did give us our longest run in top flight football for god knows how many decades.

Writing the debt off, on his way out, is a fantastic gesture. I wouldn't give him any stick.

How does everybody feel now that it is all sorted?

TBH he should be welcomed back as a fan, why not? he's pumped hundreds of millions into the club and wiped out all our debts, not many owners would do that.

I still can't understand why a business man who is so successful in all his other ventures, couldn't stop the rot at SAFC. I just don't get it. He's allowed some seriously dodgy transfer deals to go through that have financially crippled the club and still are. Who in their right mind would agree a deal that we still have to pay agents fees for players that no longer play for us????? Unlucky? NO! stupid? definitely.

 

[marcusblackcat]

Too many ifs and buts for me.

but.... IF we are completely debt free once the change of ownership happens, then I think Short is trying to save face in pretending that he's Mr Nice - for all we know he may have fallen in love with our club at a football level then ****ed up the business he knows little to nothing about. Who knows.

It sounds positive - the club statement and stuff Ellis has said sounds too positive to me - all a bit to nice but hopefully we'll find out.

If he returns after writing off over £100m of our debt, he'll get no beef from me that's for certain. Let's be honest, as rough as the last 2 years have been, the 10 before them were the most successful in the clubs modern era - no "yoyoing" - all under his ownership.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I wouldn't be bothered either way if he came back to watch. I do wonder why he wants to though. Given all that earlier talk about him inviting investors in while he retains an interest in the club makes me wonder if that is what the model is with the new owners. Could it be that Ellis is one of these 'international investors'?

 

[Disco down under]

Left us in a worse position than he found us. Not to mention the years if dire football we were served up.

We got to the league cup final once and looked like relegation fodder for 7/8 years.

No ****ing interest in the bloke personally. Any debt he wiped was debt he created and I'm sure wiping the debt came at a price. He can do what he wants but I don't want to hear about it in the papers like the messiah has returned home.

 

[jdsafc]

Left us in a worse position than he found us. Not to mention the years if dire football we were served up.

We got to the league cup final once and looked like relegation fodder for 7/8 years.

No ****ing interest in the bloke personally. Any debt he wiped was debt he created and I'm sure wiping the debt came at a price. He can do what he wants but I don't want to hear about it in the papers like the messiah has returned home.

Agreed
If someone broke your arm then put the plaster on, you wouldn't be too grateful.

We remain in the 3rd tier of English football. He put us there. Good riddance

 

[Nacho]

I never had much of a problem with him in the past because although he hired the wrong people and it cost us dearly at least he was putting money in and giving it a go.

When it came to his refusal to put a few million into the team to keep us in the championship well that was bad business and just plain ****ing stupid.

I don't believe a word of it that he's a lifelong fan and will be at the games, I think if he ever sees red and white stripes again for the rest of his life he'll have a panic attack. It's been as bad a time for him as it has been for us but at least we haven't lost a small fortune as a result of it.

 

[jdsafc]

I never had much of a problem with him in the past because although he hired the wrong people and it cost us dearly at least he was putting money in and giving it a go.

When it came to his refusal to put a few million into the team to keep us in the championship well that was bad business and just plain ****ing stupid.

I don't believe a word of it that he's a lifelong fan and will be at the games, I think if he ever sees red and white stripes again for the rest of his life he'll have a panic attack. It's been as bad a time for him as it has been for us but at least we haven't lost a small fortune as a result of it.

So you don't think you'll see him in the concourse behind the South Stand tucking in to a curried cat food pie and a pint of foul flat Carling lager at the Accrington Stanley game next season then?

 

[polyphemus]

It seems that Ellis Short is carrying the whole of the blame for the current mess.
And as 'The Man in Charge' that's a reasonable assessment.
However it's also fair to ask why he might have made some of his more controversial decisions.

My hang up has been to oppose the 'musical chairs' approach to our very frequent changes of Manager.
Almost inevitably these have been in response to agitation from us Fans.
He has done only what we asked.

The 'Sack The Manager' mantra has become common and it rarely leads to any long term improvement.
Often there's not even a Short Term benefit. But our Fans continue to call for the current incumbent to be sacked.

My question is simple enough, even if the answer isn't.

Has the mess been only down to Short?

 

[Vincemac]

Left us in a worse position than he found us. Not to mention the years if dire football we were served up.

We got to the league cup final once and looked like relegation fodder for 7/8 years.

No ****ing interest in the bloke personally. Any debt he wiped was debt he created and I'm sure wiping the debt came at a price. He can do what he wants but I don't want to hear about it in the papers like the messiah has returned home.

Yeh he’s been disaster

 

[Saf]

It seems that Ellis Short is carrying the whole of the blame for the current mess.
And as 'The Man in Charge' that's a reasonable assessment.
However it's also fair to ask why he might have made some of his more controversial decisions.

My hang up has been to oppose the 'musical chairs' approach to our very frequent changes of Manager.
Almost inevitably these have been in response to agitation from us Fans.
He has done only what we asked.

The 'Sack The Manager' mantra has become common and it rarely leads to any long term improvement.
Often there's not even a Short Term benefit. But our Fans continue to call for the current incumbent to be sacked.

My question is simple enough, even if the answer isn't.

Has the mess been only down to Short?

He can't be held responsible for what Adam Johnson done. He backed his managers in good faith, it's not really his fault they mostly turned out ****e. Johnson, Fletcher, Rodwell, N'Dong etc. Short was also terribly unlucky after landing Big Sam, only for him to be approached by the FA.

He messed about with the business, DOF's etc, but this business just doesn't seem for him, he couldn't get it going properly.

He appointed idiots in the boardroom and I think Maggie was a huge mistake. She covered for AJ and I believe it was her responsible that messed up with the Alvarez contract.

Short takes the blame for appointing the wrong people, but it's certainly not all of his doing