Holgate and Firmino incident !

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astro said:
Spontaneous? He's stood there for about 5 seconds with a gormless look on his face before reacting. Since he doesn't speak Portuguese I doubt he was in deep thought about Firmino's words. He spoke with Fat Sam and Walsh at half time and then full time and could have spoken to the ref about it again. At any other point during the 7 week investigation he could have admitted he may have been mistaken, but of course the longer it goes on the harder it is to admit his lie.
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Stupid post, the kind of comment I’d expect on rawk
 
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Why do people find it so hard to believe that he could have made it up?
I will post this again and ask what is the evidence that he didnt?

terrifictraore said:
Well lets imagine we are on the disciplinary panel where Bobby has a grievance that his colleague Holgate is making a false accusation about him.
Evidence we have so far that it is a false accusation-
Nobody else hears it or anything like it despite plenty including ref being around.
Holgate is clearly angry having moments earlier physically assaulted Firmino..
Video evidence shows Firmino does not say anything that may be mistaken for "the word".
At no stage does Holgate admit the possibility that he might have misheard what was said.

Balance of probability?
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terrifictraore said:
Why do people find it so hard to believe that he could have made it up?
I will post this again and ask what is the evidence that he didnt?
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I don't find it hard to believe.

But I think it was a simple misunderstanding and he heard wrong on what he thought he heard personally.

What baffles me though is Firmino spoke to him in Portuguese. Does Holgate understand the language?

He didn't at any point say I think he may have been racist to me in a language I didn't understand. He accused him without confirming what he was saying to him in English.
 
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jenners04 said:
I don't find it hard to believe.

But I think it was a simple misunderstanding and he heard wrong on what he thought he heard personally.

What baffles me though is Firmino spoke to him in Portuguese. Does Holgate understand the language?

He didn't at any point say I think he may have been racist to me in a language I didn't understand. He accused him without confirming what he was saying to him in English.
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I thought that and justified why it would be completely understandable if he did mis hear. The question I eventually asked was why did I think that and for me the only answer I could come up with is because its disgusting to think that he would fabricate the whole thing.

Your other points are valid questions and you have to wonder if the FA asked Holgate the same things, because as it stands they only add to the case for him making it up.
 
astro said:
Spontaneous? He's stood there for about 5 seconds with a gormless look on his face before reacting. Since he doesn't speak Portuguese I doubt he was in deep thought about Firmino's words. He spoke with Fat Sam and Walsh at half time and then full time and could have spoken to the ref about it again. At any other point during the 7 week investigation he could have admitted he may have been mistaken, but of course the longer it goes on the harder it is to admit his lie.
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Lie? I think you misunderstood. He made a complaint through the correct procedure. Sure he was advised be club and FA
 
terrifictraore said:
Why do people find it so hard to believe that he could have made it up?
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It's not that it's hard to believe, it's just that we have no ****ing clue as to what actually happened but people will just pick a side based on absolutly no real knowledge and condemn Holgate for his actions.

He may have misheard something, he may have lied we have no clue really.
 
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luvgonzo said:
It's not that it's hard to believe, it's just that we have no ****ing clue as to what actually happened but people will just pick a side based on absolutly no real knowledge and condemn Holgate for his actions.

He may have misheard something, he may have lied we have no clue really.
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If he thinks he may have misheard then he can accept the overwhelming evidence against him supporting that and accept he made a mistake. Since he apparently doesn't accept he made a mistake then that suggests he lied and is sticking with his lie.
 
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astro said:
12 people were asked to back up his story and none of them did. If he knows he didn't make a mistake it's because he knows he lied.
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What did they say ‘bobby never used a racist insult’

Or do you not know what their statements contained?

No need to answer
 
astro said:
If he thinks he may have misheard then he can accept the overwhelming evidence against him supporting that and accept he made a mistake. Since he apparently doesn't accept he made a mistake then that suggest he lied and is sticking with his lie.
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He's sticking with his opinion, fine. If you think you heard something and you are sure of it no ****er is going to convince you that your hearing is ****ed and you are wrong. Same for Firmino, he knows he's right and disagrees with Holgate, that's life.
 
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No there was also a guy in a black shirt right between them who didn't heard what Holgate "heard".
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Yep so great it comes down that Firmino isn't getting charged for something he didn't do, doesn't mean that Holgate was wrong to push something he believed was said. He could be telling porkies but nobody on here knows that.
 
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luvgonzo said:
He's sticking with his opinion, fine. If you think you heard something and you are sure of it no ****er is going to convince you that your hearing is ****ed and you are wrong. Same for Firmino, he knows he's right and disagrees with Holgate, that's life.
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Why would you ever be sure of what someone speaking a language you don't understand said what you think they said? If he's just genuinely that ******ed then fine he also has to accept that his belligerence makes him appear as a liar.
 
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Now the Firmino thing has been put to bed the Everton kid still has the homophobic Twitter thing to face, as Tobes said much earlier in the thread, he was about 15-16 when he posted the remarks, the FA being a law unto themselves and making it up as they go along probably won't take his age into consideration, they have already banned a Burnley player for homophobic tweets posted 7 years ago so it's not looking great for Holgate in those terms.
 
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