Off Topic Trumpy pumpy.

[Angry_Physics]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43149694

trump endorses guns for teachers.

stupidity.

how nobody sees that if armed security at a school gates doesn't stop it then any shooter thats not utterly delusional (and they are not imo they are quite lucid most of the time) will simply target the teacher first and then the class.

How nobody gets a pistol v an ar15 is no contest.

If i were a shooter my no 1 target is the teacher most likely to pull the gun and shoot them first in the surprise element of the attack.

It is the most facile of ways to say you can prevent student deaths.

Put a gun right in the class room.

Surely you'd be arguing for secure doors per classroom that's locked behind students with exit only access per an aircraft pilots cabin rather than adding more bullets to the mix

Trumps just jumping on another bandwagon here as he often does.

Why are you talking about Trump mate, ffs

I already offered a short term solution, security that searches non students and watching out for unhinged students, because a gun ban is not going to make anyone safe in the short term, safety of schools and students is paramount at this point.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

It's worse, guns and drugs do come in that way, as there is a large demand for illegal weapons, re Fast and Furious, US Feds put guns out there to be tracked, guns went back across the border and ended up in the hands of cartels


I have a .22 and a .270 sako, both scoped.



But my point is, even with the .22 that cant even knock over a metal target at 200 yards, it is enough to massacre kids in a school!!
The difference is me, the person.

Drink driving never gets blamed on cars when a car ploughs into people

I agree, hence the picture i posted of that person on FB who put up a 0.22 for a raffle.

It is in the end a societal issue that certain people feel the need arm themselves to the teeth so everyone then can and do and then all want to pull the trigger.

I think some element of they actually want ready supply of little soliders exists as well as the call of duty generation is bascially a great way to each basic tactis to kids without them realising.

 

[Angry_Physics]

So it's a pointless tautology then, not an argument. The issue is which guns you define as legal and illegal, not that laws can't work.

No, you said a logical truth was an NRA argument (which actually was not even an argument)

You used a "modified" argument when I posted the facts on automatic weapons, a misnomer as the reply was to Tobes claiming the guns were automatics.

Now you try veer away from the thread of posts into other arguments as you are being shown to be wrong.

I might put you back on ignore if you don't start making some proper arguments based on the actual posts

 

[Angry_Physics]

I agree, hence the picture i posted of that person on FB who put up a 0.22 for a raffle.

It is in the end a societal issue that certain people feel the need arm themselves to the teeth so everyone then can and do and then all want to pull the trigger.

I think some element of they actually want ready supply of little soliders exists as well as the call of duty generation is bascially a great way to each basic tactis to kids without them realising.

yeah agree there. The problem is not so simple atm due to so many guns being out there.

 

[astro]

Modifying semi automatic weapons is a criminal act.

Accuracy is not the question, wandering away from an argument you are losing eh.

A semi auto pistol in a school classroom is just as deadly as an AR15. So the debate should be banning all of them

Bump stocks are legal. AR-15s are semi-automatic.

 

[Angry_Physics]

Automatic conversion or semi automatic off the shelf, same difference, there’s no place for them in the civilian population - absolutely none.

yes but we were talking gun laws.

I live around guns, plenty here, and there is no fear, if I lived in the US, I would be concerned The culture around guns there is completely different

 

[Angry_Physics]

Bump stocks are legal. AR-15s are semi-automatic.

What has that got to do with my reply to Tobes that you decided to reply to?
[HASHTAG]#nothingThatsWhat[/HASHTAG]

 

[Tobes]

yes but we were talking gun laws.

I live around guns, plenty here, and there is no fear, if I lived in the US, I would be concerned The culture around guns there is completely different

So do I, most around here have shotguns, for pest control, Clay or game shooting. The difference is how they’re licenced and controlled. For example, a mate of mine who has a licenced shotgun, owns a wood and he wanted a rifle, they ****ed him clean off, as it wasn’t deemed an large enough expanse. In the States he takes a trip to the Mall.....

 

[Angry_Physics]

and I think everyone can agree, gun laws should be strict as ****, as in you must have already have a place you can hunt, or shoot for sport.

At the range here where I go, there are some serious rifles. Well able to cause carnage even if bolt action.

The trick I think is to make it EXTREMELY difficult, with lots of relevant criteria, before you can get one and then it has to suit the purpose you want it for.

 

[astro]

What has that got to do with my reply to Tobes that you decided to reply to?
[HASHTAG]#nothingThatsWhat[/HASHTAG]

What was the point of your claim that modifying weapons is illegal when you can legally buy a bump stock for effective full auto?

 

[Angry_Physics]

So do I, most around here have shotguns, for pest control, Clay or game shooting. The difference is how they’re licenced and controlled. For example, a mate of mine who has a licenced shotgun, owns a wood and he wanted a rifle, they ****ed him clean off, as it wasn’t deemed an large enough expanse. In the States he takes a trip to the Mall.....

Agree totally

 

[Angry_Physics]

What was the point of your claim that modifying weapons is illegal when you can legally buy a bump stock for effective full auto?

When I replied to Tobes that the weapons were not auto, you said "well um they were modified".

Criminal activity cannot be controlled by gun laws was the point.
Someone can meet strict as **** gun laws and modify it. heck in Northern Ireland people were buying guns with filled barrels and re-boring them again (vague on that but I do remember something to that degree)

 

[astro]

When I replied to Tobes that the weapons were not auto, you said "well um they were modified".

Criminal activity cannot be controlled by gun laws was the point.

It was a stupid point. Reality is the laws are only ineffective because they are written poorly, not because the law is fundamentally incapable of dealing with guns.

 

[Tobes]

When I replied to Tobes that the weapons were not auto, you said "well um they were modified".

Criminal activity cannot be controlled by gun laws was the point.
Someone can meet strict as **** gun laws and modify it. heck in Northern Ireland people were buying guns with filled barrels and boring them again (vague on that but I do remember something to that degree)

It’s the fact that a civilian can buy a military grade semi automatic off the shelf that’s the issue though. What possible use could that weapon have that’s necessary to fulfill the Sherman’s supposed constitutional rights?

They should be removed from sale, the end.

 

[Angry_Physics]

It’s the fact that a civilian can buy a military grade semi automatic off the shelf that’s the issue though. What possible use could that weapon have that’s necessary to fulfill the Sherman’s supposed constitutional rights?

They should be removed from sale, the end.

If I remember correctly WallMart have guns on the shelf like we have cornflakes

 

[Angry_Physics]

It was a stupid point. Reality is the laws are only ineffective because they are written poorly, not because the law is fundamentally incapable of dealing with guns.

Now it wasn't you sexy sexy man

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

The hotel shooting used weapons modified for full auto. Turned out pointless since semi is 10 times more accurate anyway unless you have loads of training.

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The guy has a packed crowd you could hit without aiming.

He had the issue of the hotel room filled with so much smoke that he could no longer see.

Irrespective.... semi auto firing 2-4 bullets max is always more accurate than a clown firing off the full clip in a hail of bullets.

The point of the automatic v a pistol is one about close quarters. If you burst into a classroom and first first the teacher should be dead first. Then you can slaughter all til another teacher runs along. If you are more than 20/30 yards the teacher is at a distinct disadvantage as most pistols are not rifled and they will have to be cool customer to fire and hit anyone.

minimum wage security is what this plan is.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

If I remember correctly WallMart have guns on the shelf like we have cornflakes

they do.

Dicks sporting goods is a sight to see....

 

[astro]

Why are you talking about Trump mate, ffs

It's the Trump thread

 

[Angry_Physics]

It's the Trump thread

Obama was pres for 8 years and all he did was increase gun sales (and sold 19 billion worth of weapons to developing nations), yet I don't need to bring it into the convo on gun laws.

Nice to see you answering for everyone else, you are that caring