The General Football Thread

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The Ides of March said:
Vamos Barca, but you are right when a team like Chelsea put up the brick wall, which in itself is a very fine art, until the ball is given away. Still fancy Bayern and our friends from Liverpool to reach the final.
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City are better than both, regardless of yesterday. I don’t think the Spanish teams are all that this season (though of course you can never count them out).
 
Le Tissier's Laces said:
City are better than both, regardless of yesterday. I don’t think the Spanish teams are all that this season (though of course you can never count them out).
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I still think City are building as a European forcé, and it takes time to gather that knowledge, the same with PSG. It took Manchester United the best part of 7 seasons of being at the high table of the European Cup/Champions League to recognise what was needed to win it, with a team that IMO was inferior to the one that had Cantona and Kanchelskis in it, and got knocked out by Swedish part-timers.

Both Bayern and Liverpool have years of European experience. Indeed, Liverpool are playing without fear knowing that on paper they are far from the best team in the CL, but as we saw last night, when a team is inspired as Wigan were, they can achieve a win.
 
The Liebherr Legacy said:
City are certainly right that security was insufficient. Problem being we'll probably get the other extreme treatment wise now.
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Stewarding and especially policing is very very expensive and thus lower league clubs have cut back in recent years (decades) as problems have subsided. The risk is lower and so they gamble on having potential problem games at earlier kick offs (local derbies) with a small increase in policing in the city which they don't have to pay for.

They only have to pay for the policing on their own property, not the extra police needed in the town/city and so the compromise for normal games is having a 1pm kick off instead of 3pm with the police having to foot the bill for dealing with pub problems.

You may say they are earning a much bigger slice because of the TV revenue/extra cup money but I don't suppose they thought Wigan v Man City would represent a crowd trouble problem.

Lincoln fans poured onto the pitch when we beat the Chelsea youth team but they all headed in joyous celebration to the Lincoln players. Could have been a similar problem because it only takes a few to do this. 10,000 sell out at Sincil Bank, same amount of stewards as usual and not a policeman in sight within the ground. There would have been some but then they would only have assessed crowd trouble on the basis that there were only a small amount of away fans attending. They wouldn't have foreseen problems of fans vs players as happened the other night.

If the authorities were to look at what happened (on both occassions) and insist on more policing then a lot of lower league clubs would be going into admin unless they are bankrolled like Forest Green.
 
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Leicester have paid a £3.1m fine after failing FFP in their promotion season.

Huge deterrent that...:emoticon-0114-dull:
 
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ImpSaint said:
Stewarding and especially policing is very very expensive and thus lower league clubs have cut back in recent years (decades) as problems have subsided. The risk is lower and so they gamble on having potential problem games at earlier kick offs (local derbies) with a small increase in policing in the city which they don;t have to pay for.

They only have to pay for the policing on their own property, not the extra police needed in the town/city and so the compromise for normal games is having a 1pm kick off instead of 3pm with the police having to foot the bill for dealing with pub problems.

You may say they are earning a much bigger slice because of the TV revenue/extra cup money but I don;t suppose they thought Wigan v Man City would represent a crowd trouble problem.

Lincoln fans poured onto the pitch when we beat the Chelsea youth team but they all headed in joyous celebration to the Lincoln players. Could have been a similar problem because it only takes a few to do this. 10,000 sell out at Sincil Bank, same amount of stewards as usual and not a policeman in site within the ground. There would have been some but then they would only have assessed crowd trouble on the basis that there were only a small amount of away fans attending. They wouldn't have foreseen problems of fans vs players as happened the other night.

If the authorities were to look at what happened (on both occassions) and insist on more policing then a lot of lower league clubs would be going into admin unless they are bankrolled like Forest Green.
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I was more talking about the lack of bodies infront of the away end. Standard practice for a pitch invasion is usually to have a cordon infront of the away end.
 
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