Transfer Rumours Barton?

Is this really such a huge shock that he's leaving?

Annoying that it's QPR - what kind of ambition does it show on Barton's part that he'd leave for QPR, a side that will be in a relegation battle this season,

 

Theres no real conspiracy is there, the club got offered £35m (too good to turn down) ask him to hand in transfer request, so the player loses his loyaly bonus, so more money for the club thats about it really.

 

on the bright side means we'll have more pace in midfield.

 

OK, well I don't agree! Of course a player under contract can't leave without the club first accepting the transfer. But a contract goes two ways - the club have agreed with the player to employ them for a set amont of time and pay the a set amount of money, the player has agreed to play for the club. Just because the club want to break the contract does not mean that the player has too! Ok, i'm being a bit naive, a club accepting a transfer offer implies to the player that they aren't in the clubs plans. But Carroll, as you mentioned, was a special case. He KNEW that the club would play him if he stayed - there would be no bad blood. We loved him, and we wanted him to be our new number 9.

And so we are left with money. We were offering less than Liverpool, significantly less. But let's put this in real terms... He was still earning £35,000 a week here. He could survive pretty well on that, as we are all well aware. He made more than I do in a year. He would have been financially stable enough to decide to ignore the extra money (and he probably wouldn't even notice the difference by the time he was 30 anyway...) If he loved the Toon like he said, all he had to do was say no. And that is the nub of the situation IMO.

He obviously did want to stay, as you mentioned, he asked for a contract. But he didn't want to stay enough - that is where my logic leads me.

And it may be bullshit - but if I had the choice between playing for the Toon for £35,000 or Liverpool for £80,000, I wouldn't even have to think about it. Because I don't think there is much difference between the two in real terms - especially when I think about playing football, as the number 9 mind you, at St James' with every home fan singing my name. That is worth more then money...

 

When John Terry wanted to stay at Chelsea, they negotiated a deal he accepted.
When Steven Gerrard wanted to stay at Liverpool, they negotiated a deal he accepted.
When Rio Ferdinand wanted to stay at Manure, they negotiated a deal he accepted.
When Alan Shearer wanted to stay at Newcastle, they negotiated a deal he accepted.
When Andy Carroll wanted to stay at Newcastle , they said no you've got a contract, they sold him.
When Kevin Nolan wanted to stay at Newcastle, they said no you're too old, they sold him.
When Joey Barton wanted to stay at Newcastle, they offered a take it or leave it 2 year deal, he accepted the wage cut but wanted an extra year, they said no and let him go for free.

The issue you have is the clubs decision whether it is good/right/or bad........that's a separate issue.
That isnt my point. My point is they all wanted to stay which you seem to disagree with, even though they asked for new contracts.

 

Yep. Simple as.

 

I'm not one for personal attacks on here but thats one of the most ******ed statement i've ever heard.

 

At least QPR are a side with an owner who wants to take the club forward.

Shows how little faith he has in Newcastles ambition if he'd rather be at QPR.

 

"My point is they all wanted to stay which you seem to disagree with"

He wouldnt be the only one then.

 

I agree with you. I actually would dig my heels in and tell Fat Ash to go f*ck himself. But thats just me.

The point I am making is that the club wanted the transfer money more than the player. We dont know what went on behind the scenes, but obviously a home grown player has took the choice to sign for another team. How he came to this choice is up for debate and discussion. But what isnt in doubt is the club wanted the ££. And if the club want the transfer, then it will happen.

 

Okay - If Carroll wanted to stay why did he hand in a transfer request? Why did Nolan not accept his contract? Why did Barton not accept his contract (in January)?
They only wanted to stay if they could get more money. You can't compare Newcastle with Chelsea, Liverpool, or Manchester United, or even the Newcastle of the 90s and early 00's - The financial situation is much different.

Whether the deal is good for the club is not a separate issue. If anything, the fact that these players are asking for contracts that would be harmful for the club entirely vindicates Mike Ashley, and puts the sole blame on the players. The players are loyal to whoever will pay them the most money. They only "wanted to stay" as long as it was Newcastle that would do that. They don't give a toss about the club or the fans. The possible exception to that is Barton, who hasn't actually left yet.

 

As a professional, what choice does he have? Does he really want to gamble his future by staying at a club who dont want him, or sort it out for sure here and now at a club that does?

If he does choose the former than brilliant; but its unlikely.

 

[video=youtube;ZDj5T8-H2R8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDj5T8-H2R8[/video]

One of the best 'slit your wrists' anthems ever

 

expand?

I think it is pretty clear. And I went on to clarify that for the majority of situations the player is probably required to leave to play first team football. But this isn't the case for Carroll, or Enrique or Barton for that matter. All of those players are loved by the fans, and they would still get games at the club. Even if they refused to move. Now Nolan, on the other hand, probably wouldn't, because he was, IMO, surplus to requirements. He was replaced by better, younger players. Therefore, for him it was good that he left, and he needed to to get a first team game.

So, why was it a ******ed statement?

 

So you think players ask for new contracts because they want to leave then? Oh I see, that is a new concept the modern day footballer has invented. Clever.

 

well if they ask for a new contract its not because they want to stay its because they want more money OR to get offered more money by the other team, in Bartons case he rejected a contract and he wouldnt have took a pay cut he was saying that to get fans on his side, that being that i still want him to stay

 

We obviously disagree with the transfer req situation. So no point discussing that any further.
What contract for Nolan?
Because he wanted to negotiate an extra year. Contracts are negotiable. There are 2 parties coming to an agreement. He wants his future settled for a specific amount of time. He is a professional. You have to look at it from the clubs point of view in the way most people would;- they want him to sign a 2 year deal, so why not a 3 year deal?! What's the difference from the clubs point of view? A year in Barton's life is important. Not to the club it isn't. He wants 3 years, give him it. There is no logical explanation not to..........IF they want him to stay.

 

Just read that statement in bold back to yourself...

Well we disagree with the pay cut issue.

So when Carroll says he never wanted to leave you basically dont believe him?
When Nolan says he wanted to stay for the rest of his career you dont believe him?
When Barton says he is willing to take a paycut and wants to stay you dont believe him?

Well I do.

I have seen more footballers come and go at NUFC to know when a player wants to leave or genuinely wants to stay.

 

Oh lord.. it's OFFICIAL NOW!!!!

http://www.qpr.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10373~2429686,00.html

 

This.