Transfer Rumours Barton?

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expat_mag said:
I actually don't agree with that at all. I don't think the club should be held to ransom by the players. They get paid enough that if the *really* want to play for a club (like most of them say they do) they can be the ones to "just take him" (to paraphrase your message) - why should the club *always* have to bow to the players will?

Why should the club just give in to them? We obviously have a strategy in place for our future dealings - we buy young and promising, get the lads in on long term, low pay contracts; and then build a solid financial footing from there. A la Arsenal.

Ok, you might not like it. And maybe the shinanigans at Arsenal right now are showing that it maybe isn't the easiest policy to make work. But IMO, it is a damn sight better than what we had under FFS.

All of the players could have stayed at the Toon if they had wanted too. They all still had contracts, and all they had to do is not talk to the other clubs. The players chose to leave, and i don't take any of this "they were forced out bullshit"

Barton can stay, Barton can go. The Toon will move on, and so will I.
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All of this is spot on.
 
NufcBano said:
The breakdown was actually he wanted 3 more years but the club only offered 2. As pathetic and petty as this may sound, its actually what happened. The lad even wanted a pay cut to stay. If that isnt proof he wanted to stay, I dont know what is. The club are pathetic on contracts. We have lost 3 first team, important players for the sake of what?? Pride?
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The paycut stuff was all nonsense. His agent has publicly said that they wouldn't have accepted one. If 'the lad' was that up for staying he would have signed a 2 year deal and sorted out a longer one at some point in the future.

The club lost those players because Ashley and Llambias have at least some amount of backbone, and won't let employees hold them to ransom.

So what if Carroll wanted a new deal 3 months after he signed a £35k a week deal, give him a £50k a week deal and say thats it. Move on.
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Yeah and then what happens in another 3 months when he wants 70k? Then after that when he wants 100k? The club can't afford to pay wages like that. The reason the club was so financially ****ed a couple years ago was because of Shepherd handing out fat contracts.

So what if Nolan wanted a 3 year extension. Negotiate. He still had 2 years left. Keep him for those 2 years and see if something can be worked out. He only lef for £4million. Not a lot is it?
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He's already in decline as a player. Signing him to anything longer than 2 years, on the wages he gets, would be madness.

So what if Barton wanted a 3 year deal. He wants less money, just give him it and move on.
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No - He doesn't want less money. Again, his agent has said they wouldn't have accepted that.

Totally pathetic.

Enrique would still be here also if all of the above happened.
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He might have stayed, but the club would definitely be a lot worse off financially for it.
It's far more likely he would have gone anyway though, and used the excuse that he wanted CL football.
 
expat_mag said:
I actually don't agree with that at all. I don't think the club should be held to ransom by the players. They get paid enough that if the *really* want to play for a club (like most of them say they do) they can be the ones to "just take him" (to paraphrase your message) - why should the club *always* have to bow to the players will?

Why should the club just give in to them? We obviously have a strategy in place for our future dealings - we buy young and promising, get the lads in on long term, low pay contracts; and then build a solid financial footing from there. A la Arsenal.

Ok, you might not like it. And maybe the shinanigans at Arsenal right now are showing that it maybe isn't the easiest policy to make work. But IMO, it is a damn sight better than what we had under FFS.

All of the players could have stayed at the Toon if they had wanted too. They all still had contracts, and all they had to do is not talk to the other clubs. The players chose to leave, and i don't take any of this "they were forced out bullshit"

Barton can stay, Barton can go. The Toon will move on, and so will I.
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Well thats where you wrong. The club accepted transfers for these players. You don't move without them. If liverpool had never come in for Carroll then he would still be here. If West Ham hadnt come in for Nolan he would still be here. The Club has accepted these offers and told the player to move on. Football clubs dont accpet offers anf then tell the player, but dont worry, we dont really want you to leave. Chain yourself to the radiator. Doesnt happen.

Andy Carroll was a one off special circumstance where if the club really wanted to keep him, then they should have. He was our best player and future of the club. I agree with you the club shouldnt just give in to player power, but the lad was of the understanding he would be making £80k at Liverpool, whereas he had just made the mistake of signing a deal for £35k. You telling me you would ignore it all and keep your gob shut. The fact is it didnt really matter what the boy wanted as the club wanted the money all along. Otherwise, he would still be here.

Players do not ask for contracts, if they want to leave. Simple basic logic. Even if it is for more money. Even if they are greedy. Even if they are acting unreasonable. Thats my point.

Did Fabregas and Nasri ask for contracts before the left Arsenal this week?!?!? Well?? If they did than that would have been very very strange wouldnt it?

Think about it with your logic and not bias for the club.
 
NufcBano said:
Players do not ask for contracts, if they want to leave. Simple basic logic. Even if it is for more money. Even if they are greedy. Even if they are acting unreasonable. Thats my point.

Did Fabregas and Nasri ask for contracts before the left Arsenal this week?!?!? Well?? If they did than that would have been very very strange wouldnt it?

Think about it with your logic and not bias for the club.
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They want to leave because they're not being handed these fat contracts that they don't deserve, and that the club can't afford.
Maybe they weren't 100% set on leaving, but they sure as hell weren't too bothered about staying either. They are ultimately the ones who initiated the process of leaving. They're the ones who, in the case of Nolan, Enrique, and probably soon to be Barton, rejected the contracts they were offered. With Carroll, he demanded a significant wage rise and put in a transfer request when he was denied it.

The fault for these happenings doesn't lie with Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias. It lies with the players.
 
NufcBano said:
skalpel said:
He was given a new contract proving the club wanted him to stay, then he handed in a transfer request proving he didn't want to stay. Not sure how much more obvious this needs to be.
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Llambias requested he handed it in whilst he was on the chopper already going to Liverpool after being told he was going and thats it.

The deal got accepted.....he left on the chopper.....suddenly got rejected....a transfer request suddenly came about....and then got accepted again.........All when AC was already on his way...!!

As stupid as this all sounds, the events of the day happened because I remember following it all day long.

Carroll says this happened also and I believe him. He aint that clever to come up with a story like this. Where as Derek L is capable of coming up with ANYTHING.
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I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. If people got passed the blind hate for Carroll I think it's pretty obvious.
Redknapp (after having had talks with Ashley) said that he would cost too much 'something like £30 million'.
After the transfer he came out and said clubs always make them hand in a transfer request to make it look like their fault not the club's.
Now you might not like Redknapp but he knows the ins and outs of English football better than any Football Manager on here.
Added to the fact that we had a chopper conveniently waiting, that Nolan and Carroll said he was forced out and that the club are one of the most deceitful in the country and to me it's obvious that although he might have been part of the transfer he certainly wasn't the big bad wolf the club made him out to be.
 
SirBR said:
Why would the club say he has no future at the club after he came through the youth team and be came one of the big players of the season!!!!!

Had he stayed he would have been a legend in his home town, and they are hardly going to stick him in the reserves are they.

Admittedly £35 million is a stupid amount to turn down as is £80K a week, but no place at the club sounds total bollcok mate.
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Because they want him to go, because they want the ridiculous £35mil.

I actually agreed with the transfer of £35m, as long as it was reinvested. Its the b*llocks lies of transfer requests that make me sick. Why damage the players name just before he leaves? Why? Derek Llam has already contradicted himself on the transfer in interviews. We know he lies. Hes doing again.
 
Anyone else wonder why David Craig would be riding a train down to London? Isn't he SSN North East reporter?! Surely one of the many London based SSN reporters could be at Kings Cross or at Loftus Road, when Barton arrives?

All seems a bit weird to me.
 
Sir Bobby said:
I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. If people got passed the blind hate for Carroll I think it's pretty obvious.
Redknapp (after having had talks with Ashley) said that he would cost too much 'something like £30 million'.
After the transfer he came out and said clubs always make them hand in a transfer request to make it look like their fault not the club's.
Now you might not like Redknapp but he knows the ins and outs of English football better than any Football Manager on here.
Added to the fact that we had a chopper conveniently waiting, that Nolan and Carroll said he was forced out and that the club are one of the most deceitful in the country and to me it's obvious that although he might have been part of the transfer he certainly wasn't the big bad wolf the club made him out to be.
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Exactly. Finally someone else who's digged into this 'conspiracy' as much as I did. The facts were actually around at the time and afterwards. Not to mention the quotes from John W. Henry on the deal which proved NUFC were in total control of the whole thing.

Well said that man.
 
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