Life After Leonid (Adkins appointed)

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saint_lard said:
Landed himself a plum job at saints with an embarrassing amount of riches at his disposal for both league one and the championship.
Yet managed to fall short on both occasions....coming second.
Nauseating,cliche riddled press conferences.
Been Found out since leaving....he’s poor.....and will be again at Hull.
He achieved the bare minimum he should have at Southampton.
The way people hold him in some messiah like status at my club Saints is quite embarrassing.
I wish him well however.






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Had a quick look on the saints board and apart from this silly **** they couldn't rate him any higher. Really well thought of by them.
 
Kempton said:
Nah, he was a bit of fun. I don't know what he did to get a ban mind.

It must have been pretty bad, I suppose. It's a very tolerant board.
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He was just being a supertwat on loads of threads and had plenty of warnings before the eventual ban. It's a shame to see anyone banned but he really did push it.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Arf.

Amazing what a good coach can do in a few days. Nige was constantly making small adjustments to players positions etc throughout the game as was his assistant.
Long way to go but anyone who went today could see a different team mentality to previously.
Onwards and upwards.
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We have one game and all of a sudden all our problems are solved?

Glad to see you never responded to one of my other replies to your posts for the last two weeks as I was right. All of a sudden a new manager wins his first game and you respond.

I am delighted Nigel Adkins won his first game, and you can tell his positivity is exactly what we need. Even in press conferences some of it is rubbing off on me.

Does that means we have got the last three transfer windows right? No. Does it mean all of a sudden we have a balance squad that has been put together with a specific system in mind? No.

We won a game. Brilliant. The club is still in a terrible position and that is after receiving over £500m in income since the Allams have taken over.

Slutsky didn't do well, but if you want to continuously bury your head in the sand and claim everything is fine with the club fine, I am just being a realist.

I wish Nigel Adkins all the luck in the world and hope we win every game this season. However, my views remain the same and one game won't change that, the evidence of the past three transfer windows is still there.
 
City1904 said:
We have one game and all of a sudden all our problems are solved?

Glad to see you never responded to one of my other replies to your posts for the last two weeks as I was right. All of a sudden a new manager wins his first game and you respond.

I am delighted Nigel Adkins won his first game, and you can tell his positivity is exactly what we need. Even in press conferences some of it is rubbing off on me.

Does that means we have got the last three transfer windows right? No. Does it mean all of a sudden we have a balance squad that has been put together with a specific system in mind? No.

We won a game. Brilliant. The club is still in a terrible position and that is after receiving over £500m in income since the Allams have taken over.

Slutsky didn't do well, but if you want to continuously bury your head in the sand and claim everything is fine with the club fine, I am just being a realist.

I wish Nigel Adkins all the luck in the world and hope we win every game this season. However, my views remain the same and one game won't change that, the evidence of the past three transfer windows is still there.
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He simpered.

I know the squad isn't all it could be.
I know the Allams haven't spent the money and are taking it back.
The whole point is slutsky didnt get the maximum out of the players at his disposal.
The last three windows!! Ffs get off football manager.
Specific system in mind!! Oh ffs teams adapt all the time.

if you didn't go you won't get the difference Adkins brought to the team. Constant moving of players, advice from. Him. And his assistant. He must have called the players over four or five times. To coach them.
Are we out of the woods? No.
Would we be ten points higher with Adkins in at the start of the season? Yes we ****ing would.
 
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City1904 said:
We have one game and all of a sudden all our problems are solved?

Glad to see you never responded to one of my other replies to your posts for the last two weeks as I was right. All of a sudden a new manager wins his first game and you respond.

I am delighted Nigel Adkins won his first game, and you can tell his positivity is exactly what we need. Even in press conferences some of it is rubbing off on me.

Does that means we have got the last three transfer windows right? No. Does it mean all of a sudden we have a balance squad that has been put together with a specific system in mind? No.

We won a game. Brilliant. The club is still in a terrible position and that is after receiving over £500m in income since the Allams have taken over.

Slutsky didn't do well, but if you want to continuously bury your head in the sand and claim everything is fine with the club fine, I am just being a realist.

I wish Nigel Adkins all the luck in the world and hope we win every game this season. However, my views remain the same and one game won't change that, the evidence of the past three transfer windows is still there.
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That's all well and good, but somewhere down the line we need to push the Allam family to one side and get back to football. Celebrating the anniversary of 'die when they want', embracing dialogue with someone whose name is publicly apologised for as being a four letter word, it's all become too much of the wrong kind of focus, more of an obsession. If dialogue must be had then none of this is constructive.

The transfer window was what it was, a badly balanced squad was the result with too many unknown qualities in it. That was the fault (it would appear) of the owners and anyone else who was involved in assembling it. But then they belong to the coach, the team shaper and selector, the one responsible for skills and tactics. That person was Slutsky and he was woefully short of the mark; it wasn't just results, it was his whole demeanour and abject lack of understanding of what was needed.

We've got a new coach and proper assistant, their whole approach to the game was more structured and professional. It deseves comment and focus that isn't constantly peppered by Allam criticism (worthy or not), as that only pampers to the attention seeking fools and plays their pathetic game to the full.

Everyone is entitled to their own view and I understand the frustration and dislike of the owners, as I share it, but the preoccupation with them has become destructive to most things around our team, not least the match day enjoyment.
 
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Fez said:
That's all well and good, but somewhere down the line we need to push the Allam family to one side and get back to football. Celebrating the anniversary of 'die when they want', embracing dialogue with someone whose name is publicly apologised for as being a four letter word, it's all become too much of the wrong kind of focus, more of an obsession. If dialogue must be had then none of this is constructive.

The transfer window was what it was, a badly balanced squad was the result with too many unknown qualities in it. That was the fault (it would appear) of the owners and anyone else who was involved in assembling it. But then they belong to the coach, the team shaper and selector, the one responsible for skills and tactics. That person was Slutsky and he was woefully short of the mark; it wasn't just results, it was his whole demeanour and abject lack of understanding of what was needed.

We've got a new coach and proper assistant, their whole approach to the game was more structured and professional. It deseves comment and focus that isn't constantly peppered by Allam criticism (worthy or not), as that only pampers to the attention seeking fools and plays their pathetic game to the full.

Everyone is entitled to their own view and I understand the frustration and dislike of the owners, as I share it, but the preoccupation with them has become destructive to most things around our team, not least the match day enjoyment.
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I think that is fair enough, there is no one more critical of the Allam's than me, but I realised some time ago that they were going no where in a hurry, so for the time being we just have to get on with what we have.

As far as Leo goes, I know it sounds crazy but he seemed out of his depth. He just wasn't able to manage and get a grasp of how demanding the Championship is, and just didn't work out for him.

As far as I can understand Nigel was much more supportive on the touch line, I always felt that the was Leo looked as if he was about to have a heart attack, sent a negative vibe to the players, so to have someone talking and encouraging the players during the game is what is needed.

I suspect Nigel will have to sell to bring players in in January, Grosicki I think will go, as may Bowen, and he will get a bit of this money to spend on one or two new players.
 
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Fez said:
That's all well and good, but somewhere down the line we need to push the Allam family to one side and get back to football. Celebrating the anniversary of 'die when they want', embracing dialogue with someone whose name is publicly apologised for as being a four letter word, it's all become too much of the wrong kind of focus, more of an obsession. If dialogue must be had then none of this is constructive.

The transfer window was what it was, a badly balanced squad was the result with too many unknown qualities in it. That was the fault (it would appear) of the owners and anyone else who was involved in assembling it. But then they belong to the coach, the team shaper and selector, the one responsible for skills and tactics. That person was Slutsky and he was woefully short of the mark; it wasn't just results, it was his whole demeanour and abject lack of understanding of what was needed.

We've got a new coach and proper assistant, their whole approach to the game was more structured and professional. It deseves comment and focus that isn't constantly peppered by Allam criticism (worthy or not), as that only pampers to the attention seeking fools and plays their pathetic game to the full.

Everyone is entitled to their own view and I understand the frustration and dislike of the owners, as I share it, but the preoccupation with them has become destructive to most things around our team, not least the match day enjoyment.
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I didn't celebrate any anniversary, and my focus was soley on the football side in my post. I have not tried to push an agenda I looked at it from a logical point of view, and from a football point of view.

Slutsky was woefully short of the mark and I have not disagreed with that, nor will I. My views are simply that Leonid was set up to fail as will Nigel Adkins be in the long run. Do I think he will improve us? Yes he will. Do I think it is a good appointment? Yes i do.

My post was defending my views, views that Chazz has only actually countered following one victory. I have responded to him a number of times over the past month and not once has he responded as I was right and he couldn't argue his point. He then picked up a post and responded following one victory.

My point is this, we can't claim to have turned some miraculous corner right now following one victory.

I see Nigel Adkins didn't play Evandro in this holding midfield role Chazz keeps asking for, I wonder why....
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
He simpered.

I know the squad isn't all it could be.
I know the Allams haven't spent the money and are taking it back.
The whole point is slutsky didnt get the maximum out of the players at his disposal.
The last three windows!! Ffs get off football manager.
Specific system in mind!! Oh ffs teams adapt all the time.

if you didn't go you won't get the difference Adkins brought to the team. Constant moving of players, advice from. Him. And his assistant. He must have called the players over four or five times. To coach them.
Are we out of the woods? No.
Would we be ten points higher with Adkins in at the start of the season? Yes we ****ing would.
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I don't play Football Manager?

I agree, Slutsky failed and didn't get the best out of the squad. But would we be ten points higher? How can you judge that after one game, given Adkins failed at his last two jobs. You can't. Stop jumping to conclusions, just think logically.

My point is you compare us constantly to Sheffield United and Bristol City. Those two squads have been put together over the last three transfer windows, correct? Yes. Have the followed a very similar system for 2/3 years? Yes. So if you want to compare us to them that is fine, but then don't disagree when I actually look at it it in more detail.

On one weekend, Adkins has done a good job. Well done, so have a number of managers. Will we continue to fail whilst this club has no long term strategy, constantly sells our best players and don't replace them adequately? YES.
 
City1904 said:
I didn't celebrate any anniversary, and my focus was soley on the football side in my post. I have not tried to push an agenda I looked at it from a logical point of view, and from a football point of view.

Slutsky was woefully short of the mark and I have not disagreed with that, nor will I. My views are simply that Leonid was set up to fail as will Nigel Adkins be in the long run. Do I think he will improve us? Yes he will. Do I think it is a good appointment? Yes i do.

My post was defending my views, views that Chazz has only actually countered following one victory. I have responded to him a number of times over the past month and not once has he responded as I was right and he couldn't argue his point. He then picked up a post and responded following one victory.

My point is this, we can't claim to have turned some miraculous corner right now following one victory.

I see Nigel Adkins didn't play Evandro in this holding midfield role Chazz keeps asking for, I wonder why....
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I didn't say you did celebrate the anniversary, it was a general remark. I used your post only because it was relevant to my point of view and it wasn't a dig in any way - apologies if it seemed so.

Slutsky was a punt to manage in the Championship and that punt failed. I was at the Boro game and then again on Satdee, the approach on the touchline was like chalk and cheese. We are not a great team, but we have played teams that are worse and we failed to take all 3 points; that was down to Slutsky. I do beliee we have turned a corner because we have a coach and his trusted (proven) assistant who know the English game and this very difficult league. I am alot more positive about what I saw and that's what I base my opinion on.
 
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If we start losing under Nigel I wonder if the anti-slutsky lot will be anti-Nigel or finally accept that perhaps those higher up at the club have actually had a negative impact on us.
 
Walter Sobchak said:
If we start losing under Nigel I wonder if the anti-slutsky lot will be anti-Nigel or finally accept that perhaps those higher up at the club have actually had a negative impact on us.
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I think most people agree about the owners , but I think Slutsky had to go , I'm wondering if that makes me anti-slutsky or
just a realist about our league position
 
Newland Tiger said:
I think most people agree about the owners , but I think Slutsky had to go , I'm wondering if that makes me anti-slutsky or
just a realist about our league position
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Some people act as if we'd be top of the league with a different manager. I think differently.
 
Walter Sobchak said:
If we start losing under Nigel I wonder if the anti-slutsky lot will be anti-Nigel or finally accept that perhaps those higher up at the club have actually had a negative impact on us.
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I think we'll soon find out.
I don't see us getting anything out of the next 3, maybe even 4 games.
It won't be Adkins fault. It will be the sh.it hand he's been dealt, like Slutz was (who clearly didn't make the best of it).
Hopefully I'm wrong about the next few games. If not, hopefully everyone understands and sticks with him (Adkins). The New Year might just bring something a whole lot better ...or am I being naive yet again?
BTW, I checked the OWS to see exactly who we do have coming up these next weeks. There sat the reminder of why it's so hard for us to put aside the Allam issue ... our OWS, named HullCityTigers. It can't be put aside for many of us. The c.u.nts , who supposedly are now listening to us fans, could have it changed in a second if they had a mind to. The fact that they haven't unfortunately says all you need to know. [HASHTAG]#AllamsOut[/HASHTAG]
 
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