Grayson interview

[Brian Storm]

Was it not you who put the video on of the lazy twats and ridiculed them you have a very short memory mate

My memory is fine, It was my personal view on one incident, not over all effort. perhaps you want to direct me to where I attacked them from the stands or targeted them directly on social media for that? It's the only way you can make that point remotely viable because that's the point. I've not said anywhere, it shouldn't be discussed.

 

[Brian Storm]

I think the point is that’s what forums etc are for, not at thevgame when it can affect players.

Exactly. We can moan to hearts content on here, discus and investigate. It's very different to giving them **** from the stands.

 

[rooch 3]

My memory is fine, It was my personal view on one incident, not over all effort. perhaps you want to direct me to where I attacked them from the stands or targeted them directly on social media for that? It's the only way you can make that point remotely viable because that's the point. I've not said anywhere, it shouldn't be discussed.

Exactly. We can moan to hearts content on here, discus and investigate. It's very different to giving them **** from the stands.

You baffle me sometimes mate why the hell would you not want to give them **** from the stands when they are stood there in front of you actually taking the piss out of you in your face.

 

[Nads]

You baffle me sometimes mate why the hell would you not want to give them **** from the stands when they are stood there in front of you actually taking the piss out of you in your face.

Because that adds to the pressure and makes it even more difficult for them to perform.

We support the club not the players if we drag the players down we drag the club down with them.

 

[rooch 3]

Because that adds to the pressure and makes it even more difficult for them to perform.

We support the club not the players if we drag the players down we drag the club down with them.

Ok mate if that's yours and Bri's opinion it just means we are light years apart in what we think.

 

[Nads]

Ok mate if that's yours and Bri's opinion it just means we are light years apart in what we think.

I’m not saying anyone can’t have their opinion.

I’m saying that it’s a cast iron proven fact that adding pressure to people low on confidence can never help, and it’s not support.

I’ll assume all of these people are motivated, flawless in character and employee of the month every month as well, if it’s that simple.

 

[Brian Storm]

You baffle me sometimes mate why the hell would you not want to give them **** from the stands when they are stood there in front of you actually taking the piss out of you in your face.

Maybe I know what it's like for a rush of anxiety to stop me to take simple step forward to pay for my goods or get on a bus or any forward stepping positive action, maybe I know what it's like to have a severe lack confidence effect my work performance, Maybe i've been a rabbit in the headlights, maybe I know what sapping effect this has on mental and physical fatigue and maybe I know how the actions and words of other people can make or break or me in those moments of crisis. Breaking them further will never ever help. Giving them stick isn't going to give them an epiphany and transform them, it's going to further cement the problem making it even hard to fix.

Footballers tend to love playing football. So when a footballer doesn't want the ball you've got to ask questions of where their head is that. If their head is not there, abusing them will make it worse every single time.

 

[Nads]

I work in sales.

If a person who has previously done well suddenly doesn’t I don’t tell them their ****, I get behind them and remind them of positives and things they are good at and have done well.

It’s exactly the same principle.

 

[Burly Hurley]

You baffle me sometimes mate why the hell would you not want to give them **** from the stands when they are stood there in front of you actually taking the piss out of you in your face.

I've only just started to realise, just recently, why things aren't so straightforward mate.

Mindset aren't so easy to change. I'm talking about the team, not anyone on here.

 

[rooch 3]

I work in sales.

If a person who has previously done well suddenly doesn’t I don’t tell them their ****, I get behind them and remind them of positives and things they are good at and have done well.

It’s exactly the same principle.

And if you have been telling that same person for 5 or 6 years and your business is nearly bankrupt and they are even more **** now than before let me know what you tell them then?

 

[Nads]

And if you have been telling that same person for 5 or 6 years and your business is nearly bankrupt and they are even more **** now than before let me know what you tell them then?

But it’s not the same person is it? They’d be fired.

So, are you saying then we should only be booing Cattermole and JOS as theyvare the only folk been around more than 18 months?

Negativity doesn’t benefit anyone. Never has or will.

Nobody thrives off it, nobody gains from it.

 

[Billy Death]

I work in sales.

If a person who has previously done well suddenly doesn’t I don’t tell them their ****, I get behind them and remind them of positives and things they are good at and have done well.

It’s exactly the same principle.

Rodwell used to be good.

 

[rooch 3]

But it’s not the same person is it? They’d be fired.

So, are you saying then we should only be booing Cattermole and JOS as theyvare the only folk been around more than 18 months?

Sorry mate can't be arsed tonight the A word is coming on and the mags have just gone 1 down you keep singing your head off mate.

 

[Nads]

Rodwell used to be good.

He did, and again I’ve said I refuse to write him off and we should try him CB.

Coleman has tried to encourage him whilst also stating he’s potentially on borrowed time, that’s constructive.

 

[Nads]

Sorry mate can't be arsed tonight the A word is coming on and the mags have just gone 1 down you keep singing your head off mate.

You know **** all about me I don’t ‘sing my head off’.

I do know what support is though, and I do know what makes people feel stronger and encourages them.

I relate that to my everyday life, not just going to the match.

I’m not arguing over something which I know to be true, adding petrol to a fire ain’t ever going to help put it out.

 

[marcusblackcat]

Ok mate if that's yours and Bri's opinion it just means we are light years apart in what we think.

Are you one of these "they earn millions it shouldn't affect them" people as that's how you're coming across. None of us know what it's like to be under that sort of pressure from that many people. I've worked for the mod, NHS and a number of other large organisations and the most people I've ever been scrutinised by is a presentation to 150. Nerve wracking for sure and I can imagine, if they were all slating what I was doing, I'd have been in bits.

Why is that any different? If they'd had a go at me for my first mistake, I'd have lost my confidence in the whole presentation I did.

The closest situation I can think of. Mentally it'd have killed me. How can you categorically say they are taking the piss when you don't know what's going on between their ears? Matthews looked like a little boy lost in his second game this season. Made. A couple of mistakes (mis-controlled a ball a couple of times) and th crowd turned on him. I visibly watched the lad retreat into a hole. He wasn't taking the piss, he was scared

 

[Canny Lad]

Been pushing this theory for so long now. Players overlap but a lack of confidence is infectious. This problem has been going on for years.

That combined with home atmosphere is a crippling combo. I know some folk think fans can do no wrong and if they pay their money they have the right to get on their back, while that may be true in theory it's completely an unintelligent approach. If they're already broken, booing is just going to put them to the point of no return mentally. I think the likes of Rodwell are too far gone now, fans need to take responsibility. Kicking somebody while they're down has never ever done any good ever. The fact some people aren't clever enough to see that's what they're doing and what it can do is damn right scary given the results are there for all to see.

Spot on...

 

[Canny Lad]

You baffle me sometimes mate why the hell would you not want to give them **** from the stands when they are stood there in front of you actually taking the piss out of you in your face.

I think this quote tells me you are not getting the point of the statements made by Bri, Nads and Marcusblackcat.

I'll put it this way (and this is in life generally) If someone makes a mistake of any kind and the first reaction from a person or many persons is to shoot them down. the natural reaction for the person making the mistake is to feel bad about themselves. The next time they come across the same thing they made a mistake previously, the likelihood they will either not try it again or make the mistake because they are nervous.

The way to get around this problem, when a person makes a mistake is that you encourage them; show belief that they can do it. That gives them confidence.
And do you know what they normal do get it..

Appreciate you have your opinion; and if you feel that barracking someone at the game if they make a mistake is fine that's your choice. . but boy I wouldn't want to F 1 u k up in front of you. I think you also have to understand the point of the previous statements

I don't need to go on anymore...

 

[Canny Lad]

I think this quote tells me you are not getting the point of the statements made by Bri and Nads.

I'll put it this way (and this is in life generally) If someone makes a mistake of any kind and the first reaction from a person or many persons is to shoot them down. the natural reaction for the person making the mistake is to feel bad about themselves. The next time they come across the same thing they made a mistake previously, the likelihood they will either not try it again or make the mistake because they are nervous.

The way to get around this problem, when a person makes a mistake is that you encourage them; show belief that they can do it. That gives them confidence.
And do you know what they normal do get it..

Appreciate you have your opinion; and if you feel that barracking someone at the game if they make a mistake is fine that's your choice. . but boy I wouldn't want to F 1 u k up in front of you. I think you also have to understand the point of the previous statements

I don't need to go on anymore...

Just to add though, when you say they are taking the piss out of you in the face; by this if you mean they are not trying , are lazy, well now you're talking, they deserve to be barracked...

 

[marcusblackcat]

Just to add though, when you say they are taking the piss out of you in the face; by this if you mean they are not trying , are lazy, well now you're talking, they deserve to be barracked...

Still have to gauge why they look like they're lazy/not trying etc. Could easily be some mental block due to the fear of failure.

Our fans are some of the best in the country in numbers, but some of the worst at getting behind the team