Effect of Brexit

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oldfrenchhorn said:
I would have thought you might have had rather more interest in Brexit and the problems for companies like Honda. 26% of people have confidence in this government to handle the negotiations with the EU compared to 44% three months ago. It should really be more of a concern to you why so many have lost faith with May in such a short period.
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Theresa may's popularity has actually increased recently, still not surprising she is beating Comrade Corbyn.

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With confidence in France's president nosediving, Germany unable to form a government and the Italians turning to eurosceptic parties, there does seem a lot of problems mounting in the EU.
 
http://archive.is/9pY1i

"Bankers and other professionals have been promised a special post-Brexit travel regime to allow them to move freely across Europe, as the British government sought to reassure the City of London its future was safe."

Theresa May's mob plan to exempt her husband from Brexit it seems. Arseholes aren't they?
 
Bolton's Boots said:
http://archive.is/9pY1i

"Bankers and other professionals have been promised a special post-Brexit travel regime to allow them to move freely across Europe, as the British government sought to reassure the City of London its future was safe."

Theresa May's mob plan to exempt her husband from Brexit it seems. Arseholes aren't they?
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Absolutely daft.. shows you the complete folly and sham of Brexit....
 
This opening gambit popped up on my fb feed... it would be hilarious if the pathos wasn't so damned tragic...

The UK's secretary of state for cliff-jumping, David Davis, in Berlin yesterday, urging EUROPE to 'stop playing politics' on Brexit. WTF? Would that be the same David Davis from the British Conservative party, which has now wasted well over a year since its pointless and divisive EU referendum by, um, playing politics on Brexit?

Seriously, who writes his scripts?
 
Hornet-Fez said:
This opening gambit popped up on my fb feed... it would be hilarious if the pathos wasn't so damned tragic...

The UK's secretary of state for cliff-jumping, David Davis, in Berlin yesterday, urging EUROPE to 'stop playing politics' on Brexit. WTF? Would that be the same David Davis from the British Conservative party, which has now wasted well over a year since its pointless and divisive EU referendum by, um, playing politics on Brexit?

Seriously, who writes his scripts?
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An entirely reasonable and sensible comment from David Davis. He is advising EU industrialists to concentrate fully on their potential losses rather than keep paying lip service to the eurocrats who care more about their precious EU project than the lives of the proletariat.
 
superhorns said:
An entirely reasonable and sensible comment from David Davis. He is advising EU industrialists to concentrate fully on their potential losses rather than keep paying lip service to the eurocrats who care more about their precious EU project than the lives of the proletariat.
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Cmon that is a plain daft statement...................... on just about every dimension
 
colognehornet said:
Does it show an understanding of economics and business to break away from your best customers ?
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Yes, when you open up the other 85% of world trade. The EU is one of the slowest growth areas. As far as I know the UK is willing to continue trading with the EU, it is the EU erecting exceptional barriers.
 
superhorns said:
Yes, when you open up the other 85% of world trade. The EU is one of the slowest growth areas. As far as I know the UK is willing to continue trading with the EU, it is the EU erecting exceptional barriers.
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The EU. is not erecting barriers by saying that you need to pay up your debts before talking about future trade. You want complete freedom for goods and services but not for people - but, the EU. was made by people and for people. What you are saying is that you want European custom but you do not want them. You do not appear to understand the collateral damage there has been to 'Brand Britain' in the World. Do you expect Europeans to continue buying British goods as if nothing has happened ? If the same product is available from another EU. country then customers will now buy from them. Would you expect me to buy anything from a country where my girlfriend/wife is not welcome ?
 
colognehornet said:
The EU. is not erecting barriers by saying that you need to pay up your debts before talking about future trade. You want complete freedom for goods and services but not for people - but, the EU. was made by people and for people. What you are saying is that you want European custom but you do not want them. You do not appear to understand the collateral damage there has been to 'Brand Britain' in the World. Do you expect Europeans to continue buying British goods as if nothing has happened ? If the same product is available from another EU. country then customers will now buy from them. Would you expect me to buy anything from a country where my girlfriend/wife is not welcome ?
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I'm sure if the EU bully boy tactics continue many Brits will stop buying produce from the EU, I've already consciously made an effort to buy non EU goods if possible. The UK is experiencing record levels of tourists I'm not sure you will be missed.
 
superhorns said:
I'm sure if the EU bully boy tactics continue many Brits will stop buying produce from the EU, I've already consciously made an effort to buy non EU goods if possible. The UK is experiencing record levels of tourists I'm not sure you will be missed.
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So you are taking upon yourself to decide who will, and will not be missed ? If there is a slight rise in tourism at the moment then it has to do with 2 things - firstly the falling pound, and secondly because people are visiting Britain quickly before Brexit happens, rather then waiting for the insecurity afterwards. You have also forgotten that Britain needs the EU. more than the EU. needs Britain - at least in terms of trade flows. Your idea of replacing EU. trade with that of the other 85% is deeply flawed - firstly because those other countries know that Britain desparately needs them, and so will be in a position to impose conditions which are far more of a threat to Britain's sovereignty than those of the EU. What do you think a trade deal with the USA or China would look like ? Do you want Britain to become a dumping ground for Chinese steel and American gene manipulated rubbish ? The second reason is environmental - do you want to replace close partners with distant ones ? The shipping industry is at breaking point as it is and cannot expand to include an increase in trans Atlantic trade, both for logistic reasons and for environmental ones.
 
colognehornet said:
So you are taking upon yourself to decide who will, and will not be missed ? If there is a slight rise in tourism at the moment then it has to do with 2 things - firstly the falling pound, and secondly because people are visiting Britain quickly before Brexit happens, rather then waiting for the insecurity afterwards. You have also forgotten that Britain needs the EU. more than the EU. needs Britain - at least in terms of trade flows. Your idea of replacing EU. trade with that of the other 85% is deeply flawed - firstly because those other countries know that Britain desparately needs them, and so will be in a position to impose conditions which are far more of a threat to Britain's sovereignty than those of the EU. What do you think a trade deal with the USA or China would look like ? Do you want Britain to become a dumping ground for Chinese steel and American gene manipulated rubbish ? The second reason is environmental - do you want to replace close partners with distant ones ? The shipping industry is at breaking point as it is and cannot expand to include an increase in trans Atlantic trade, both for logistic reasons and for environmental ones.
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As I previously said there should be no reason why the UK cannot continue trading well with the EU given a bit of common sense such as suggested by David Davis. The recent headlong rush towards a superstate as proposed by the Macron boy and the damaged Merkel reminds me why the UK made such an excellent decision during the referendum. The UK fought two world wars to avoid being dominated by the Germans, if the rest of the EU are OK with that, fine, the UK is not.

UK business will adapt to the new trading conditions, as always. It may be why the UK unemployment rate keeps dropping as opposed to France that has seen a recent increase in its unemployment numbers.
 
I cannot believe that anyone is still trying to defend David Davis. He goes off to Germany to speak to business leaders, and makes a total mess of it. Tells them that prosperity should take priority over politics. Just what is happening in the UK? It is the looney right wing that have the agenda.

Following his speech, Davis faced critical questions from journalists. Wolfgang Krach, editor of Süddeutsche Zeitung, asked why Britain was leaving the EU if they shared as many values and interests as Davis had claimed. Davis repeated Theresa May’s view that Britain was leaving the EU but not the European Union. Total disbelief.

Krach was applauded by the audience that included Germany’s former finance minister, Peer Steinbrück, when he said that “your government gives off an impression of chaos and disorder”. Even the Telegraph was agreeing this morning that he had made a terrible show of it.

Straight after this speech a German industrialist from the car manufacturers stated the obvious in a TV interview. The large single market is of far more benefit to him and his fellows than the small one in the UK. Do a deal? Only if it doesn't harm the single market.
 
superhorns said:
As I previously said there should be no reason why the UK cannot continue trading well with the EU given a bit of common sense such as suggested by David Davis. The recent headlong rush towards a superstate as proposed by the Macron boy and the damaged Merkel reminds me why the UK made such an excellent decision during the referendum. The UK fought two world wars to avoid being dominated by the Germans, if the rest of the EU are OK with that, fine, the UK is not.

UK business will adapt to the new trading conditions, as always. It may be why the UK unemployment rate keeps dropping as opposed to France that has seen a recent increase in its unemployment numbers.
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oldfrenchhorn said:
I cannot believe that anyone is still trying to defend David Davis. He goes off to Germany to speak to business leaders, and makes a total mess of it. Tells them that prosperity should take priority over politics. Just what is happening in the UK? It is the looney right wing that have the agenda.

Following his speech, Davis faced critical questions from journalists. Wolfgang Krach, editor of Süddeutsche Zeitung, asked why Britain was leaving the EU if they shared as many values and interests as Davis had claimed. Davis repeated Theresa May’s view that Britain was leaving the EU but not the European Union. Total disbelief.

Krach was applauded by the audience that included Germany’s former finance minister, Peer Steinbrück, when he said that “your government gives off an impression of chaos and disorder”. Even the Telegraph was agreeing this morning that he had made a terrible show of it.

Straight after this speech a German industrialist from the car manufacturers stated the obvious in a TV interview. The large single market is of far more benefit to him and his fellows than the small one in the UK. Do a deal? Only if it doesn't harm the single market.
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This will go down well with the thousands of Germans that will lose their jobs if unnecessary barriers are created, he may be looking for another job himself.
 
superhorns said:
As I previously said there should be no reason why the UK cannot continue trading well with the EU given a bit of common sense such as suggested by David Davis. The recent headlong rush towards a superstate as proposed by the Macron boy and the damaged Merkel reminds me why the UK made such an excellent decision during the referendum. The UK fought two world wars to avoid being dominated by the Germans, if the rest of the EU are OK with that, fine, the UK is not.

UK business will adapt to the new trading conditions, as always. It may be why the UK unemployment rate keeps dropping as opposed to France that has seen a recent increase in its unemployment numbers.
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If you feel happy reading your war comics and drumming up the Dunkirk spirit then carry on by all means - the rest of the World has moved on. Nobody is 'dominating' anyone. In some ways it's more a case of Britain, having been a big fish within its Commonwealth, not feeling comfortable about an equal relationship with equal partners.
 
colognehornet said:
If you feel happy reading your war comics and drumming up the Dunkirk spirit then carry on by all means - the rest of the World has moved on. Nobody is 'dominating' anyone. In some ways it's more a case of Britain, having been a big fish within its Commonwealth, not feeling comfortable about an equal relationship with equal partners.
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The growth in the rest of the world has moved on, it makes the EU look very sluggish. Most countries manage extremely well governing themselves, they don't appear to need fiddling eurocrat types from other countries interfering with their governance.

Can we expect a German government soon? Is there more horse trading or back to another election, seems extremely chaotic.
 
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