I'm not surprised the EU is coming across as a bully because the description is spot on. We also seem to suffer from aggressive posters on this forum that use insulting language to Brexiteers. Maybe they all just follow the example set by the eurocrats?
The only reason they have no presence in the UK. is because of the voting system SH. they have just as much support as the AfD do. It is, of course, very easy to label opponents as Nazis, Fascists, Trotskyists or whatever - unfortunately they have become forms of name calling as opposed to having any real meaning behind them. You know, as well as I do, that Ukip have had EDL. members as candidates, just as they have former BNP members in their ranks. It is also well known that the BNP do not contest seats against them, and have seen their vote drop dramatically since Ukip appeared on the scene. Any AfD connection to groups such as the NPD or Pegida is no more, or less, than is found in Ukip. Besides which I repeat - Farage helped them in their election campaign. Whatever share of the vote the AfD got - 10% I think - this is still only 6%, or so, of the population - who voted for many diverse reasons. The other 90% rejected them out of hand, and will continue to do so. That means - no influence ! Far less influence than in forcing a whole country to a referendum, as was the case with Farage.
Basically there are various options Frenchie. A minority government either alone, or with the FDP (very unlikely - it was them who broke off the talks) or with the Greens (too many differences). Or new pressure being put on the SPD to continue with an alliance of the 2 biggest parties - they have ruled this out, but with Steinmeier (SPD) as Bundespresident it could still happen (unlikely though). The other option is new elections - but, how often can you go to the electorate saying 'I'm sorry but the mandate you gave us was too difficult' ? One of the basic functions of politics is to turn the mandate from the people into reality - however difficult that may seem. There is also no guarantee that a repeat election would produce an easier result. The FDP are seen as the bad boys and some of their voters will go to Merkel - just as they, themselves, will have to attack the AfD vote. The Greens may well see a slight rise, but the situation in the Bundestag will be just as complicated afterwards. Unless the SPD have a dramatic rise in fortunes. The last possibility is to go 500 days without a government, like Belgium. Then maybe people will think 'Do we actually need one' ? Belgium survived - Ghent, Liege and Antwerp are all still standing ! A major point for Germany is that it has such a decentralized structure that the absence of a central government doesn't really affect everyday life. I can't see any reason why Brexit negotiations would be influenced by this - this has no influence on the EU. negotiating team.
So you agree your political system allows Neo Nazis a sizeable voice in the German parliament whereby no far right-wingers can have any representation in the UK parliament. That was my point. In 2013 AfD had less than 5% support, by 2017 that rose to nearly 13% and 94 seats in the Bundestag. They are clearly a party on the up, some have predicted even more support in another election. It is a bit like penalties, no country does Nazism as well as Germany. This Is What Happens When 6,000 Neo-Nazis Get Together - VICE
Thanks for the insider view cologne, it is interesting. The point I think about the implications for Brexit are that at some point the German government along with the other countries will have a voice about deals with the UK. If elections are underway it could be more difficult for their input?
Good to see that Redwood is sticking to his advice to get money out of the UK. He has moved from giving the EU nothing, to £30 billion now. Brexit supporters seem to be all over the place still.
Unfortunately any so called Neo Nazi activity in Germany gets more publicity than in any other country - although there is less of it than in most others. Any Party which does not remain within the constitution would not be allowed to enter the parliamentary system - and the AfD are a legal party - yes they have a few nutters in there but the main tendency of the party cannot be described as Nazi, only individuals, just as in Ukip. The fact is that there are more racially motivated attacks in the UK. than there are in Germany - and that, I would suggest, is the statistic that matters.
I can assure you if 6,000 Nazis had a rally in the UK it would make headline news. Nazi meets just seems to be run of the mill in Germany.
It rather depends on your description of Nazi SH. You can be assured that the EDL are just as right wing as Pegida, and also that any demonstration by Pegida will have members there from the international scene, including many from the UK. We can talk about a European right wing scene, which also involves many football fan bases and has an international network. They descend on certain countries - such as Spain for Franco's birthday - does this mean that the Spanish are all Nazis ? Any outward symbols of Nazi behaviour such as giving the Hitler salute are punished in Germany with up to 2 years in prison - is that the case in the UK ? Hitler's Mein Kampf is forbidden here (at least the publishing and sale of it) - is that the case in Britain ? I repeat - there are more racially inspired attacks in the UK. than in Germany - do you deny that ? I think that you need to wake up and realize that Germany has moved on from 1945 - much more than some other countries it seems.
The UK does not have anything like this display of Nazism. There is growing support for extreme right wing politics in Germany, take a look at the make up in the Bundestag. This Is What Happens When 6,000 Neo-Nazis Get Together - VICE
So tonight it has been sorted. The European Medicines Agency is leaving London for Amsterdam and the European Banking Authority will be going to Paris. The big prize was the EMA with the huge revenue for London being lost. Ministers must now urgently clarify whether a new UK agency will be set up and how it will guarantee rapid access to new medicines after Brexit. If the true cost of Brexit is fewer jobs and slower access to vital life-saving medicines, the British people have the right to reject the final deal and choose to stay in the EU.
Factually incorrect. There is no facility or desire in the UK for another referendum on the deal. Parliament has chance to vote on the deal, either agree or we leave with no deal.
Less than a thousand jobs for both agencies. Unlike France the UK has no problem creating jobs, we don't mind helping out Paris with 150 jobs.
We have seen lots of situations in Britain of Neo Nazi groups on the public stage - several involving the EDL. In the past it was even worse - the so called Battle of Waterloo Station for example, defending a Screwdriver concert - which involved the combined firms of Chelsea, West Ham, Millwall and Portsmouth. The list can go on and you can produce such scenes or videos from any country. The problem is that anything which happens in Germany will be blown up out of all proportion by the press - particularly by the British. The AfD is a constitutional party which will be tolerated as long as they abide by the laws of the land. There are a few rotten apples sitting in the Bundestag amongst the AfD but they will quickly be sorted out if there is any encouragement of law breaking by any of them. You can stick 2 things in your pipe - one is that the other 90% of voters abhore anything resembling racism, and secondly that members of ethnic minorities are safer on the streets of Germany than of the UK. Quite frankly your glee at any problems occuring in France or Germany is becoming sickening - just as is your obvious excitement about any re emergence of so called Nazis or Fascists. Though to be honest I do not think you know what the terms actually mean - any more than Trotskyist which you also love to bandy about.
You really haven't thought this through have you. 40,000 hotels rooms booked in vistors to the EMA in one year, travel costs, restaurants providing meals, visits to the theatres or other entertainments, cleaners and workers in the hotels. It is estimated that for every job moving away from London, ten others will be lost. Before we had the referendum I warned that this could happen, yet you chose to ignore such things, believing they would never happen.
You seem to be trying your hardest to deny the fact that far right groups are gaining ground in Germany. The breakthrough into your parliament of AfD is significant with 94 seats. In the context of Brexit it is fair game to point out the problems within the EU. I am thankful the UK has a superior political system that does not accommodate the political extremes suffered by France and Germany. As the two most significant players in the EU have decided on a rapid route to an EU superstate I am so pleased the UK had the foresight to leave this sinking ship.
You have been wrong on every one of your predictions so far including job losses. Whilst the UK continues to record the lowest unemployment for 40 years France suffers a rise in unemployment which is double the UK's. You really should be more concerned with the French inability to create any jobs at all.,
Really? Who will confirm that medicines are safe to use in the UK? Who will confirm that they are safe to sell to the rest of the world?
