Match Day Thread Hull City v Wolves

[originallambrettaman]

Well
This seasons started better than I expected...because I expected a relegation fight and I actually think we'll be comfortably towards the top of the bottom half

Things I think I think

That crowd was nowhere near 17k
Wolves are much better than us
Wolves sensibly attacked our weak links at both fullback.
Clark looks ok in their half, but poor in defence
Aina...the same, although he should be better if he didn't keep pissing about. Needs to realise he isn't as good as he thinks he is
Grosicki is a waste of a shirt at the moment
Clucas looks distracted
Hector is very very good...and was MOM no doubt
Hernandez will be a huge loss if he's injured for a while
We've got no strength in depth (or even in the shallows)
North stand sounds good when it gets going
We need to sing more songs for players...not just sluts

I'd agree with pretty much all that.

The crowd was about the same as Saturday, just with an extra 1,000 away fans.

Aina would make a great right winger, he's technically gifted and good going forward, or even a right wing back (should have gone three at the back last night).

Sadly Max simply isn't good enough.

 

[GLP]

Wolverhampton Wanderers are a very good side who I expect to be close to getting automatic promotion if they continue to play like they have in the first three matches.

We made three defensive mistakes and they scored. I don't remember them creating very much else. We gave them space in central midfield because we couldn't compete and so we didn't. We kept our players behind the ball and our defensive shape. None of their goals came through the middle. They came from defensive errors out wide.

In patches we caused them real problems and you could see the panic. Aina made some very good defensive tackles and two mistakes. The winger should have gone into touch for the second and he should have passed for the third. He is young and both errors are easily rectified if he accepts guidance.

I thought Max Clark didn't do very much wrong apart from maybe the first goal. But that will come with experience as well.

It was disappointing to lose but we could have easily got something out of last night.

How was Clark at fault for the first? Given it came from the right (our right), with a pass into Neves on the right, who shot and scored from our right?

 

[Stevielidds1983]

I don't think there was a massive difference between us. We just allowed Wolves players far too much space on the ball. You don't have to be as skilful, but if you deny them the space their game relied on, you nullify the threat. We did in patches in the second half and Wolves looked lost when the obvious pass options weren't on.

Stupid mistakes from the linesman for the 2nd Wolves goal and the Aina **** up cost us points. Wolves certainly don't look world beaters - we were carrying too many passengers in our starting 11.

Unfortunately it's not as easy as just closing the opposition down, if it was then teams would just do that against the likes of Man City etc, the difference with them last night was they had some very clever (and very expensive) players who were very good at looking for those gaps and exploiting the space we left. They won't be far off come end of the season because it's only 3 games gone and they will gel more. Decent team but we have to move on and sort ourselves out.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

For what it is worth, I have seen a number of comment from Wolves fans saying we were the better team out of Boro & Derby who they have already played.

 

[Obadiah]

How was Clark at fault for the first? Given it came from the right (our right), with a pass into Neves on the right, who shot and scored from our right?

My school boy error.

 

[GLP]

Unfortunately it's not as easy as just closing the opposition down, if it was then teams would just do that against the likes of Man City etc, the difference with them last night was they had some very clever (and very expensive) players who were very good at looking for those gaps and exploiting the space we left. They won't be far off come end of the season because it's only 3 games gone and they will gel more. Decent team but we have to move on and sort ourselves out.

After 10 minutes the pattern of play employed by Wolves was hugely predictable. Not at all 'world beaters' they just stuck to a game plan over 100 minutes and we weren't savvy enough to deal with it.

Had we changed formation, they wouldn't have had the freedom we gave them. Their game relied upon the wingers/wingbacks hugging the touch line - the majority of play coming down our left their right.

If we'd gone 3 centre halves and wing backs that space would have gone. We should also have had Meyler on from the start in place of Henriksen - to disrupt their passing game.

We had no one within 10-15 yards of their full backs for most of the game. They must have loved the green open space we let them have.

For spells in the second half when we closed the space down, Wolves didn't have a plan b.

Edit - value or cost of the team is irrelevant. How much have Cardiff spent? You can guarantee Warnock will be far more tactically astute when they play Wolves! I bet Cardiff cost peanuts compared to our side.

 

[johnbo]

They looked a team ready for the top six we didn't look far off but also looked like a team still building. Let's hope we get good news on Hernandez today because losing your top striker in a team with so few options is going to make a big difference to our season. If it's a long term injury we then need at least two more good forwards.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

How was Clark at fault for the first? Given it came from the right (our right), with a pass into Neves on the right, who shot and scored from our right?

He was at fault actually GLP... he missed the tackle on the left that allowed the ball to come to Neves... If he'd have done his job and put the ball/ or the player into touch the ball wouldn't have come across..

 

[SydneyTiger14]

People blaming anyone for a goal like that are a bit silly.

 

[HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)]

Wolves looked solid, well drilled and organised, I can't see them playing any great football this season but I can see them doing well. They did exactly what they had to and nothing more, they scored on the rare occasions they actually created anything and then saw the game out with some good ball retention, when they were beaten they just hacked our players down and took the yellow card, simple but effective.

We looked very disjointed but still created enough chances to win the game, we just weren't clinical enough.

Grosicki can **** off though, if we're paying you to do a job then do it, I don't care if you want to leave, earn yourself a transfer instead of sulking around, complete waste of a shirt last night.

 

[HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)]

People blaming anyone for a goal like that are a bit silly.

Agree, the first goal was just a good strike, 9 times out of 10 that goes in the stands and not the back of the net, sometimes you just have to give credit where its due.

 

[dennisboothstash]

After 10 minutes the pattern of play employed by Wolves was hugely predictable. Not at all 'world beaters' they just stuck to a game plan over 100 minutes and we weren't savvy enough to deal with it.

Had we changed formation, they wouldn't have had the freedom we gave them. Their game relied upon the wingers/wingbacks hugging the touch line - the majority of play coming down our left their right.

If we'd gone 3 centre halves and wing backs that space would have gone. We should also have had Meyler on from the start in place of Henriksen - to disrupt their passing game.

We had no one within 10-15 yards of their full backs for most of the game. They must have loved the green open space we let them have.

For spells in the second half when we closed the space down, Wolves didn't have a plan b.

Edit - value or cost of the team is irrelevant. How much have Cardiff spent? You can guarantee Warnock will be far more tactically astute when they play Wolves! I bet Cardiff cost peanuts compared to our side.

Spot on

 

[Leon...]

For what it is worth, I have seen a number of comment from Wolves fans saying we were the better team out of Boro & Derby who they have already played.

Oh don’t say that mate, we’re all back to wearing our relegation death mask guises especially with those who sucked Allam’s cock the hardest (‘til PL relegation in 2015) now shouting and crying the loudest.

We’re all about over using exclamation marks to express how mad we are too.

 

[dennisboothstash]

Oh don’t say that mate, we’re all back to wearing our relegation death mask guises especially with those who sucked Allam’s cock the hardest (‘til PL relegation in 2015) now shouting and crying the loudest.

We’re all about over using exclamation marks to express how mad we are too.

Oi
Some of us are predicting mid table mediocrity...and aren't gutted by that at all actually

 

[Brucebones]

So having no ability to see the games anymore or listen to them, just going off these match threads, it seems we're better than Burton, but **** against everyone else.
Clucas, Grosicki, Henrikksen, Clark & Aina are ****, unless we play Burton & then they turn it on
Hector seems decent
McG is McG
Bowen is good but lightweight
Slutsky is doomed!

 

[originallambrettaman]

The first half was like an FA Cup tie between a Premier League club and a Championship one, they were better than us in every regard. Their passing and movement was quick, sharp and accurate and we were chasing shadows and regularly passing the ball back to them. The second half, they took their foot off the gas and we had a go and to be fair could have pulled it back to 2-2, but when we conceded that dreadful third, we were knackered.

It's fairly obvious, that having seen the Villa game, both Burton and Wolves targetted our full-backs. You could have made a decent case for going three at the back last night, the problem is, there's absolutely nobody in the squad capable of playing as a left wing back (which is a shame, as it would suit Aina).

There's nobody on our bench capable of changing a game, there isn't even an option for changing the formation.

Grosicki ambles around like it's a pre-season, Bowen tries to help out Aina, but with little effect (hence Larsson replacing him), Clucas still doesn't look right (I definitely think he's on his way) and I don't know what to make of Henriksen, he's not rubbish, but he's a bit lightweight and creates very little.

The only area it looked like we had sorted was the strikers and now even that's knackered.

 

[Leon...]

Oi
Some of us are predicting mid table mediocrity...and aren't gutted by that at all actually

The absence of exclamation marks in your post supports your claim.

 

[DJBlackandamberarmy(No4)]

We could have easily got a result and were in the game , but rare in the championship you do get put out of sight - it reminded me of the premier league when we were often in games at home to Chelsea etc , but with us at maximum effort and running about trying to scramble a goal and they just looked a lot classier , shouldn't expect any different with our threadbare squad tho , won't be able to judge too much until September . My pre season thoughts were mid table and not seen anything to change my mind yet , too good for the likes of Burton , other teams with more quality

 

[SydneyTiger14]

So having no ability to see the games anymore or listen to them, just going off these match threads, it seems we're better than Burton, but **** against everyone else.
Clucas, Grosicki, Henrikksen, Clark & Aina are ****, unless we play Burton & then they turn it on
Hector seems decent
McG is McG
Bowen is good but lightweight
Slutsky is doomed!

The club puts up free replays with commentary 24 hours after the game.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

The first half was like an FA Cup tie between a Premier League club and a Championship one, they were better than us in every regard. Their passing and movement was quick, sharp and accurate and we were chasing shadows and regularly passing the ball back to them. The second half, they took their foot off the gas and we had a go and to be fair could have pulled it back to 2-2, but when we conceded that dreadful third, we were knackered.

It's fairly obvious, that having seen the Villa game, both Burton and Wolves targetted our full-backs. You could have made a decent case for going three at the back last night, the problem is, there's absolutely nobody in the squad capable of playing as a left wing back (which is a shame, as it would suit Aina).

There's nobody on our bench capable of changing a game, there isn't even an option for changing the formation.

Grosicki ambles around like it's a pre-season, Bowen tries to help out Aina, but with little effect (hence Larsson replacing him), Clucas still doesn't look right (I definitely think he's on his way) and I don't know what to make of Henriksen, he's not rubbish, but he's a bit lightweight and creates very little.

The only area it looked like we had sorted was the strikers and now even that's knackered.

A very fair assessment, in fact Wolves in the first half looked better than a number of EPL clubs we saw last season, bodes well for them. I agree Clucas heads not right, I think he's on his way. If Grosicki is going to act like that all season then he can **** off also, he needs to give his head a wobble.