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originallambrettaman said:
People paying to send their kids to public schools remove the burden on state schools (while still paying for those state schools).

People paying for private health care remove the burden on the NHS (while still paying for the NHS).

Penalising people for doing this would be a remarkably stupid thing to do, particularly as many can barely afford them as it is.

Particularly if they were also having to take an income tax hit as well.
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If they're taking an income tax hit they're on about £100k a year and up. What they spend that on is absolutely up to them but there's no way they should be getting any subsidy on VAT while the junior doctor pays it on everything they can afford.
 
originallambrettaman said:
People paying to send their kids to public schools remove the burden on state schools (while still paying for those state schools).

People paying for private health care remove the burden on the NHS (while still paying for the NHS).

Penalising people for doing this would be a remarkably stupid thing to do, particularly as many can barely afford them as it is.

Particularly if they were also having to take an income tax hit as well.
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In a nutshell.
 
PLT said:
Am I missing something here?

VAT is paid on all luxuries, supposedly. How can it possibly be even considered that private school fees, of all things, should be VAT exempt. It's pretty much the best example of a luxury that only a select few can afford. Clothes aren't VAT exempt. Try and justify how everyone should pay VAT for clothes but not private school fees. The mere suggestion is just utterly baffling.

I get why these schools are good. I've done a bit of work in the ones round here and seen how nice they are. But they're as luxury as luxury gets. They should be one of the very first things to charge VAT on.
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So let's charge VAT on them, make them unaffordable for a lot of people currently using them, and probably put a bigger burden on state finances than the VAT raises?

Every child in a private school is one less forthe taxpayer to pay for. People should be encouraged to use private schools whenever it's possible.
 
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6.3Mr.CityManHatrecurring said:
So let's charge VAT on them, make them unaffordable for a lot of people currently using them, and probably put a bigger burden on state finances than the VAT raises?

Every child in a private school is one less forthe taxpayer to pay for. People should be encouraged to use private schools whenever it's possible.
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If they're unaffordable that's the schools' problem. They'll have to reduce their ridiculous prices if no one can afford it any more. That's how a proper economy should work; supply and demand. Not just the state propping up all these wealthy institutions while the people can't afford to eat.
 
PLT said:
If they're taking an income tax hit they're on about £100k a year and up. What they spend that on is absolutely up to them but there's no way they should be getting any subsidy on VAT while the junior doctor pays it on everything they can afford.
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It's anything over £80k and to put two kids through public school already requires about £50k of earnings.
 
Obadiah said:
So Labour's tax rises according to the Manifesto are not going to raise that much money? McDonnell and Corbyn must be right when they say their tax proposals are moderate, and people earning over £80,000 will be asked to pay a little extra.
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Every study/research into tax shows that higher tax rates generally means reduced income. The labour manifesto has quite literally just taken the current tax figures, added the %age on top and completely omitted all of the many complex factors that need taking into account.
 
PLT said:
If they're unaffordable that's the schools' problem. They'll have to reduce their ridiculous prices if no one can afford it any more. That's how a proper economy should work; supply and demand. Not just the state propping up all these wealthy institutions while the people can't afford to eat.
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The state doesn't prop them up, the parents pay through the nose for them.

Make it unviable for those parents and you just increase the cost of the state of funding them through state education.
 
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PLT said:
Thanks, I just wasn't sure if you meant income tax or VAT on the school fees at first.

I can't understand an argument where these fees should be VAT exempt. It's not additional VAT, it's the introduction of any at all. It can't be right that every adult pays VAT for stuff like food and clothing which are obviously essentials rather than luxuries while the very top percent get an exemption for their private school fees, an option which isn't available to most people no matter how hard they work. The very definition of a luxury. The exorbitant fees are down to the schools, and if they choose to pass on the VAT to you that's also down to them.

I know you've admitted you'll vote for what's best for you which is your choice, but I can't see how anyone could morally have an issue with the introduction of VAT on private school fees.

With respect, if only just being able to afford private school fees is your plight, then there are people far worse off and in far more unjust circumstances than you thanks to austerity.
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Bit condescending but there you go.

I already pay tax for an education system, one that I don't access whilst lessening the burden on the state.
 
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PLT said:
If they're unaffordable that's the schools' problem. They'll have to reduce their ridiculous prices if no one can afford it any more. That's how a proper economy should work; supply and demand. Not just the state propping up all these wealthy institutions while the people can't afford to eat.
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The private school here charges less per term than the state school gets in public funding per pupil. Some are ridiculously excessive targeted at the top %. The vast majority are not. The state isn't propping them up. If people can't afford to eat they should have tried harder and done better. They're not mine, or yours, or anyone else's problem. They're their own problem.
 
The last couple of pages show just how hard it is to balance the books. It looks so easy to raise taxes to get more income, but the knock on effect is harder to calculate.
 
PLT said:
Leaving them with only £30k, which is more than the average annual salary. If they're too pricey that is not the state's problem.
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It is if it's the state that made them too pricey ffs.

And penalising people who are willing to pay for their kids education, just so you can give university students a free degree, simply isn't fair.
 
6.3Mr.CityManHatrecurring said:
The private school here charges less per term than the state school gets in public funding per pupil. Some are ridiculously excessive targeted at the top %. The vast majority are not. The state isn't propping them up. If people can't afford to eat they should have tried harder and done better. They're not mine, or yours, or anyone else's problem. They're their own problem.
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Well that's where we differ I guess. I don't believe the Channel 5 documentaries that want you to believe everyone poor is just sitting at home being lazy. I think that's a tiny minority. I think that NHS staff being overworked and underpaid is absolutely our problem and should be infinitely more important than worrying about whether the rich can afford private schooling.
 
PLT said:
Am I missing something here?

VAT is paid on all luxuries, supposedly. How can it possibly be even considered that private school fees, of all things, should be VAT exempt. It's pretty much the best example of a luxury that only a select few can afford. Clothes aren't VAT exempt. Try and justify how everyone should pay VAT for clothes but not private school fees. The mere suggestion is just utterly baffling.

I get why these schools are good. I've done a bit of work in the ones round here and seen how nice they are. But they're as luxury as luxury gets. They should be one of the very first things to charge VAT on.
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Luxury?

Behave yourself and get in the real world.

State education was failing beyond belief my son, it's hardly a luxury to try and get him a decent education and start in life.


I'm not a communist and will do what's best for my kids, end of.

A luxury would be spending the school fees on a Range Rover and a couple of jaunts to the Caribbean every year.

Luxury?
 
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