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Did you actually read what I said? Do think it's just rich people who vote conservative? Did you see the f'king mess left by Blair & brown last time? We're still paying for it! The famous note left on the exchequers desk read something like " good luck there's no money "
You do realise that since 2010 the Tories have increased our national debt by more than the previous Labour Govt did in 13 years don't you? Which included bailing out the banks in 2008....

The idea that the Tories are frugal whilst Labour were spendthrifts is a complete fallacy, that completely ignores the actual facts

Austerity has failed, our debt has massively increased, we've got working people relying on foodbanks, our NHS is crumbling, we've lost 20k police, the gap between the haves and have nots is ever increasing and Cameron gambled our country's future like a pissed up poker player in trying to split the UKIP vote in 2015, and delivered the slow motion car crash that is Brexit.
 
the only reason the tories get so many votes is to avoid tax cuts, pretty much the sole reason
spineless party of eton boys
 
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Yesterday we raised the minimum wage by the equivalent of 12 pounds /week. Same moans by business as you have posted.
My wage bill has doubled in 15 years but every f'ker wants everything for nowt! You go into a bar and ask for a pint and the bird serves you it and then says "that'll be £5 please" You'll all be happy knowing she's on £10 an hour? If labour get in I fear for small businesses! It's ok you jumping on here with sound bites of labour this and labour that! As if it's cool to be labour but at the end of the day it's the people's vote that matters! So we'll see eh?
 
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The thread is fine. It's a one off. Just get brady off the ****er. He'll rant all night as well.
Some really interesting posts from leon and others. I'm enjoying it
 
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She's come from a long way from Kwiksave checkout to where she is now.
Maybe she wants to put something back and help the community she grew up in?
I've no idea how well she's doing in the polls.

She tweeted "I hope people refuse to vote Tory in Hull. Their cuts hurt us." Seems sensible advice.
 
You do realise that since 2010 the Tories have increased our national debt by more than the previous Labour Govt did in 13 years don't you? Which included bailing out the banks in 2008....

The idea that the Tories are frugal whilst Labour were spendthrifts is a complete fallacy, that completely ignores the actual facts

Austerity has failed, our debt has massively increased, we've got working people relying on foodbanks, our NHS is crumbling, we've lost 20k police, the gap between the haves and have nots is ever increasing and Cameron gambled our country's future like a pissed up poker player in trying to split the UKIP vote in 2015, and delivered the slow motion car crash that is Brexit.
Now the scousers on! <laugh>
 
My wage bill has doubled in 15 years but every f'ker wants everything for nowt! You go into a bar and ask for a pint and the bird serves you it and then says "that'll be £5 please" You'll all be happy knowing she's on £10 an hour? If labour get in I fear for small businesses! It's ok you jumping on here with sound bites of labour this and labour that! As if it's cool to be labour but at the end of the day it's the people's vote that matters! So we'll see eh?

I pay £5 a pint now.
 
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Yeah but what would my wage bill be? You've seen the aggressive marketing that the big supermarkets are on with at present? They all concentrate on fresh produce at less then I can buy it for! So there's no chance of putting prices up! So I lay a couple of workers off and do more myself! I could be talking about hundreds of thousands of businesses around Britain!
The supermarkets wage bill will increase by the same amount as yours, and those costs will ultimately have to be passed on to the consumer, so how does that change the current dynamic one iota?
 
The supermarkets wage bill will increase by the same amount as yours, and those costs will ultimately have to be passed on to the consumer, so how does that change the current dynamic one iota?

We had all this discussion when the minimum wage was introduced. Businesses didn't go bust and the skies didn't fall in.
 
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not much different, to discussing price of pints is it?
 
We had all this discussion when the minimum wage was introduced. Businesses didn't go bust and the skies didn't fall in.
Exactly, as the increase is across the entire spectrum, so small businesses will have to ultimately pass on the increase in their employment costs in the same way that the large corporations will.
 
The supermarkets wage bill will increase by the same amount as yours, and those costs will ultimately have to be passed on to the consumer, so how does that change the current dynamic one iota?
If you've ever known anyone who's been a supplier to a large supermarket they'll tell you what they're like! I've had dealings with them and they're ruthless! A simple example is they'll ask a grower to grow thousands and thousands of cucumbers ( could be anything ) BUT they'll also ask others to do the same thing! Then when it comes to harvesting them they'll negotiate a price ( usually rediculusy low ) knowing that they've got others who'll supply them! And you've got thousands you can't get rid of! Supermarkets are ****s simple as! So when you go into one thinking these are cheap? They're aren't a tin of beans at say 50p has cost them 15p! ****S ( rant over)
 
If you've ever known anyone who's been a supplier to a large supermarket they'll tell you what they're like! I've had dealings with them and they're ruthless! A simple example is they'll ask a grower to grow thousands and thousands of cucumbers ( could be anything ) BUT they'll also ask others to do the same thing! Then when it comes to harvesting them they'll negotiate a price ( usually rediculusy low ) knowing that they've got others who'll supply them! And you've got thousands you can't get rid of! Supermarkets are ****s simple as! So when you go into one thinking these are cheap? They're aren't a tin of beans at say 50p has cost them 15p! ****S ( rant over)

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the answer my friend is here
 
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If you've ever known anyone who's been a supplier to a large supermarket they'll tell you what they're like! I've had dealings with them and they're ruthless! A simple example is they'll ask a grower to grow thousands and thousands of cucumbers ( could be anything ) BUT they'll also ask others to do the same thing! Then when it comes to harvesting them they'll negotiate a price ( usually rediculusy low ) knowing that they've got others who'll supply them! And you've got thousands you can't get rid of! Supermarkets are ****s simple as! So when you go into one thinking these are cheap? They're aren't a tin of beans at say 50p has cost them 15p! ****S ( rant over)
Corporate business in ****ish behaviour shocker, but that's been the case for donkeys, and with respect is irrelevant to the point about increased labour costs which would be universal.
 
So why do other countries not need to have people living in poverty in order to pay for the corporations to have cheap taxes? All the other major economies seem to manage fine with higher corporation tax than us. Sweden have a great quality of life with higher prices than us because wages are high and the common man is looked after. Here it's seen as a radical idea to give everyone the absolute basics and that's incredibly sad.

If you were to tear up the way everything was set up and start again, then the Scandinavian model is probably the one you'd go for, but it's obviously not that simple.

There is a completely different mentality there, along with a very different set of circumstances.

The gap between the highest paid and lowest paid is much smaller, which is a good thing, but they're very small countries to manage, with a very outward looking attitude and decades of building to where they are now (they didn't have to build from a position of being country decimated by war, which ended up covered in sprawling council estates and integrating millions of people from its colonies and all sorts of other factors)

British businesses usually concentrate on building businesses in Britain, which expand beyond our shores if they're successful. In Denmark, they think very differently, because Denmark is so small, they see their market as Europe not just Denmark. With a small population and a great deal of income generated from outside the country, their model is a far more practical proposition.

Germany is a slightly different situation, unlike us, they managed to maintain a manufacturing business by moving into manufacturing premium goods and they remain a massive exporter of goods internationally. While they were building VW/Audi, Mercedes, BMW and Porsche into worldwide premium car brands, we were merging all ours into a nationalised industry making utter ****e that nobody wanted.
 
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If you were to tear up the way everything was set up and start again, then the Scandinavian model is probably the one you'd go for, but it's obviously not that simple.

There is a completely different mentality there, along with a very different set of circumstances.

The gap between the highest paid and lowest paid is much smaller, which is a good thing, but they're very small countries to manage, with a very outward looking attitude and decades of building to where they are now (they didn't have to build from a position of being country decimated by war, which ended up covered in sprawling council estates and integrating millions of people from its colonies and all sorts of other factors)

British businesses usually concentrate on building businesses in Britain, which expand beyond our shores if they're successful. In Denmark, they think very differently, because Denmark is so small, they see their market as Europe not just Denmark. With a small population and a great deal of income generated from outside the country, their model is a far more practical proposition.

Germany is a slightly different situation, unlike us, they managed to maintain a manufacturing business by moving into manufacturing premium goods and they remain a massive exporter of goods internationally. While they were building VW/Audi, Mercedes, BMW and Porsche into worldwide premium car brands, we were merging all ours into a nationalised industry making utter ****e that nobody wanted.

but didn't germany lose the war?<party>
 
Corporate business in ****ish behaviour shocker, but that's been the case for donkeys, and with respect is irrelevant to the point about increased labour costs which would be universal.
No but you said that the increase in wages would have the same affect on them! They're profits are through the roof because of the practices I mentioned! So it is relevant! And everyone shops in them! even labour supporters!
 
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