Explosion in Manchester

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PleaseNotPoll said:
That might be true if you didn't do this with everyone on every thread. But you do.
Not sure why you bother, to be honest.
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You need to look at your own posting history, and attempts at arguments. I wouldn't mind if you picked something interesting, but you just nibble away at crumbs, avoiding the actual topic.

Fill your boots, I'm sure you feel you've made some point about the tragedy.
 
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DMD said:
You need to look at your own posting history, and attempts at arguments. I wouldn't mind if you picked something interesting, but you just nibble away at crumbs, avoiding the actual topic.

Fill your boots, I'm sure you feel you've made some point about the tragedy.
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I've made plenty. You've just blamed Muslims and said this isn't their country. Very helpful.
 
Highburyal said:
Same argument could be made and said the global state sponsored terrorism in the name of Democracy in various parts of the world led by the West and hence making it a breeding ground for terrorism, even sponsoring them...

For example in Libya, we sponsored and armed groups to get rid of Gaddafi and they have turned against the West and are also killings thousands in their country and yet you still cant see why the manipulation might happen? This isn't Islamic problem that you keep banging on about, its a Muslim and west problem, this is in the minority otherwise you would have 1.8 billion suicide bombers if this was the Islamic teaching!
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I've never ever claimed it was Islamic teaching. Quite the opposite. What I've said is that this must be made very clear to impressionable young muslims by the senior leaders of the faith.

The causes are another subject entirely. Yes, we all condemned the invasion of Iraq. And what was done in Libya was just plain stupid. As if the US had learned nothing from the Iraq fiasco.
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
I've never ever claimed it was Islamic teaching. Quite the opposite. What I've said is that this must be made very clear to impressionable young muslims by the senior leaders of the faith.

The causes are another subject entirely. Yes, we all condemned the invasion of Iraq. And what was done in Libya was just plain stupid. As if the US had learned nothing from the Iraq fiasco.
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You have kind of answered your own question here don't you think?

Millions marched against war in Iraq and not a single **** was given and dodgy dossiers and bullshit lead to it happening anyway

So how do you think a dew muslims marching will effect global politics ?
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
I've never ever claimed it was Islamic teaching. Quite the opposite. What I've said is that this must be made very clear to impressionable young muslims by the senior leaders of the faith.

The causes are another subject entirely. Yes, we all condemned the invasion of Iraq. And what was done in Libya was just plain stupid. As if the US had learned nothing from the Iraq fiasco.
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Now this is certainly sensible. That's not how i interpreted what you were saying at the beginning of this thread.

I agree with this
 
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PleaseNotPoll said:
Don't ask him to substantiate any of his claims, either. Not going to happen.
He'll have a little tantrum in a minute too and play the victim.
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You're doing it again. :emoticon-0113-sleep

This topic is about a tragic event, it shouldn't be yet another opportunity for you and your very dull vendetta.
 
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thefanwithnoname said:
You have kind of answered your own question here don't you think?

Millions marched against war in Iraq and not a single **** was given and dodgy dossiers and bullshit lead to it happening anyway

So how do you think a dew muslims marching will effect global politics ?
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It won't. But as this is supposedly a holy war ( according to ISIS) then it needs to be made very clear, once again, by senior leaders of the faith that it is not!..,
 
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BobbyD said:
Now this is certainly sensible. That's not how i interpreted what you were saying at the beginning of this thread.

I agree with this
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Thank you. It's pretty much what I've tried to say all along. That the senior leaders of the faith have to stand up and be counted on this.
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
I've never ever claimed it was Islamic teaching. Quite the opposite. What I've said is that this must be made very clear to impressionable young muslims by the senior leaders of the faith.

The causes are another subject entirely. Yes, we all condemned the invasion of Iraq. And what was done in Libya was just plain stupid. As if the US had learned nothing from the Iraq fiasco.
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That's not how I would interpret your earlier posts and even calling me apologist to shut me up!
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
It won't. But as this is supposedly a holy war ( according to ISIS) then it needs to be made very clear, once again, by senior leaders of the faith that it is not!..,
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Here is the thing you don't seem to be grasping

Firstly looking at the news today alone we have had many people coming out and saying this

Secondly and importantly in my opinion the Isis that is being pushed in likes of UK is not the same through out the world.

For example you have continuously said Isis want to push their agenda worldwide yet in the middle east/Asia/basically Muslim countries Isis are always asked why are you fighting Muslims and not say Israel

Isis have killed more Muslims than yazidis Christians and reporters put together yet here we sit speaking of Muslims not speaking out and somehow being apologists
 
Highburyal said:
That's now how I would interpret your earlier posts and even calling me apologist to shut me up!
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Well you interpretated them wrongly. Several others seemed to know exactly what I was trying to say. I've never wavered in my belief of how we should begin to defeat ISIS's recruitment drive.

If you begin to sound like an apologist, which is how you were starting to come across.....!!
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
Well you interpretated them wrongly. Several others seemed to know exactly what I was trying to say. I've never wavered in my belief of how we should begin to defeat ISIS's recruitment drive.

If you begin to sound like an apologist, which is how you were starting to come across.....!!
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I too think you have changed your strategy as the conversation has gone on tbf
 
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