Explosion in Manchester

[Chief]

The perpetrator was a Manchester United fan, apparently.
How does that work? Hates the western devils and supports... the western devils.

****ing mad. I was at the United game on Sunday with my son and she asked me this morning could it have happened there.

Well, of course it could as how do you spot an innocuous looking bloke walking down the street as tens of thousands exit a stadium? Could easily have happened there.

Or ideed, anywhere.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

He is actually a very nice bloke, what do you want me to do lie?

That video wasn't the be all and end all and fortunately the thing was being filmed independent too (was on YouTube but has been since removed) . Had it not been you are right he would have faced prosecution.

Lee rigbys killers were linked via events they had attempted organised by anjems crew. BUT and here is then crux, left as they didn't agree with anjema crew and covenant of security etc. Besides a house i lived in I bought off the father of a guy serving 18 years. Doesn't mean there is a link

Covenant of security is very comprehensive in fairness and I have the notes still and it isn't as restrictive as you are intent on making it

The whole isis support is overplayed and they had to change the rules to get him imprisoned, which says it all. He was stupid for saying some stuff and was right royally set up. But let's not pretend he was ever a risk to this country. Every one thought he was a government stooge in the Muslim community

As I said there is more to many incidents than YouTube clips.

He's a ****ing fruitcake who promotes terrorism openly.
The fact that you associate with him and think he's a nice bloke says it all, frankly.
He should've been locked up years ago, yet you're still defending him. Ridiculous.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

****ing mad. I was at the United game on Sunday with my son and she asked me this morning could it have happened there.

Well, of course it could as how do you spot an innocuous looking bloke walking down the street as tens of thousands exit a stadium? Could easily have happened there.

Or ideed, anywhere.

This is why its not as simole as saying its Islam etc

I am actually surprised (albeit mighty relieved) football hasn't been targetted tbh bar the one incident in France.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

He's a ****ing fruitcake who promotes terrorism openly.
The fact that you associate with him and think he's a nice bloke says it all, frankly.
He should've been locked up years ago, yet you're still defending him. Ridiculous.

I don't really care what you think tbh. Je wasnt locked up as there was no reason for it to happen.

But it highlights what my point was.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I don't really care what you think tbh. Je wasnt locked up as there was no reason for it to happen.

But it highlights what my point was.

He was promoting this kind of terrorism, by his own admission.
You claim that there was something wrong with the video of him saying it personally, but haven't said what.
He's in jail now and you still claim persecution, despite years of him being connected to tons of terrorists.

Do you think that's a coincidence? He just happens to socialise with a bunch of them?
It's funny, but that doesn't seem to happen to the vast majority of people, including other Muslims in this country.
Why do they all seem to gather around him? Bad luck?

 

[NSIS]

Anybody, and I mean anybody, who attempts to condone or excuse the events of last night is a total ****!

And, anybody who openly or even covertly supports these kind of atrocities should be locked up and have the key thrown away.

It disgusts me that this scum have connived and planned to murder kids.

If there is a hell, **** 'em, I hope they rot there!


Rant over!...

 

[thefanwithnoname]

He was promoting this kind of terrorism, by his own admission.
You claim that there was something wrong with the video of him saying it personally, but haven't said what.
He's in jail now and you still claim persecution, despite years of him being connected to tons of terrorists.

Do you think that's a coincidence? He just happens to socialise with a bunch of them?
It's funny, but that doesn't seem to happen to the vast majority of people, including other Muslims in this country.
Why do they all seem to gather around him? Bad luck?

That's like me saying you a spurs fan and the Israel flags means you are a Zionist killing Palestinians

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Anybody, and I mean anybody, who attempts to condone or excuse the events of last night is a total ****!

And, anybody who openly or even covertly supports these kind of atrocities should be locked up and have the key thrown away.

It disgusts me that this scum have connived and planned to murder kids.

If there is a hell, **** 'em, I hope they rot there!


Rant over!...

I don't think anybody is doing anything but condemning the attack tbf

 

[DMD]

Anybody, and I mean anybody, who attempts to condone or excuse the events of last night is a total ****!

And, anybody who openly or even covertly supports these kind of atrocities should be locked up and have the key thrown away.

It disgusts me that this scum have connived and planned to murder kids.

If there is a hell, **** 'em, I hope they rot there!


Rant over!...

I've deliberately tried to keep out of this, as these things tend to drift into various forms of point scoring, and I'd rather show respect to all those affected.

It's a tragedy, and the actions of this coward are inexcusable.

I'll just make sure I give my loved ones an extra hug, and feel fortunate that I can.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

That's like me saying you a spurs fan and the Israel flags means you are a Zionist killing Palestinians

No, it isn't. Not even close.

He promotes terrorism and hangs around with terrorists. That's a clear and direct connection.
Omar Bakri? Terrorist. Abu Izzadeen? Terrorist. Abu Hamza? Terrorist. Lee Rigby's killers? Terrorists.
Do I need to go on?

 

[thefanwithnoname]

No, it isn't. Not even close.

He promotes terrorism and hangs around with terrorists. That's a clear and direct connection.
Omar Bakri? Terrorist. Abu Izzadeen? Terrorist. Abu Hamza? Terrorist. Lee Rigby's killers? Terrorists.
Do I need to go on?

The flags and shouts of yid are at spurs matches. Zionism, terrorism and racism

And yes please go on. Random names means nothing did you know that Abu hamza and Omar bakri were at odds with each other regarding belief? Did you know that salafis don't associate with anjem and vice versa?

Do you even know what salafi beliefs are and how they differ?

Sorry but just get emotional and posting random names and videos is bullshit and proves my point. You in particular have shown you can be sold anything

Read the judge in the cases closing remarks,

"You did nothing to condemn any aspect of what Isis was doing at the time.

"In that way you indirectly encouraged violent terrorist activity."

Wut?

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

The flags and shouts of yid are at spurs matches. Zionism, terrorism and racism

And yes please go on. Random names means nothing did you know that Abu hamza and Omar bakri were at odds with each other regarding belief? Did you know that salafis don't associate with anjem and vice versa?

Do you even know what salafi beliefs are and how they differ?

Sorry but just get emotional and posting random names and videos is bullshit and proves my point. You in particular have shown you can be sold anything

Read the judge in the cases closing remarks,

"You did nothing to condemn any aspect of what Isis was doing at the time.

"In that way you indirectly encouraged violent terrorist activity."

Wut?

What a nonsensical argument. It just shows how weak your point is.
Attempting to equate football support with actual terrorism is as ludicrous as it is disgusting.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

As for Hamza and Bakri being at odds with each other, so what?
Choudary was in Hizb ut-Tahrir when it's UK branch was run by Bakri and then took over the various other incarnations afterward.
He supported and still supports Hamza and he's very public about it.

Choudary was convicted because he pledged his allegiance to ISIS, after years of skirting the edge of the law.
He thought he was smart enough to get away with it, while indoctrinating loads of other people.
The same group claimed responsibility for yesterday's attacks, yet you think he's a nice bloke. Ridiculous.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

What a nonsensical argument. It just shows how weak your point is.
Attempting to equate football support with actual terrorism is a ludicrous as it is disgusting.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

As for Hamza and Bakri being at odds with each other, so what?
Choudary was in Hizb ut-Tahrir when it's UK branch was run by Bakri and then took over the various other incarnations afterward.
He supported and still supports Hamza and he's very public about it.

Choudary was convicted because he pledged his allegiance to ISIS, after years of skirting the edge of the law.
He thought he was smart enough to get away with it, while indoctrinating loads of other people.
The same group claimed responsibility for yesterday's attacks, yet you think he's a nice bloke. Ridiculous.

It's the same thing. As a mod on the spurs forum you allowing yid as part of a user name etc means you are encouraging and supporting racism and anti semetism

OBM started HT with majid nawaz and choudary, you wouldn't equate the 2 as being the same now would you?

Your basically ranting about something you have very little knowledge about and had you not done the usual **** I would have happily discussed it with you

I challenge you to find me what choudary has said in quotes that saw him sentenced. Not the vague paper stuff but the exact quotes of his pledge etc. And if you are going to use googled paper arguments you night as well reference it

As for Isis claiming today's attack woopity ****in do they claim everything including the London bridge attack although security services said they had **** all to do with it

As I said sell you anything, or is it because it suits your argument that you will happily accept what doesn't happen?


Oh and he is a nice bloke. Very well spoken, respectful and quite charming tbh

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

It's the same thing. As a mod on the spurs forum you allowing yid as part of a user name etc means you are encouraging and supporting racism and anti semetism

The word yid isn't racist or anti-Semitic. It's use is about context.
The police clarified that a while ago. Perhaps you missed it?
Even if that were true, it would have nothing to do with your previous claims about it.
Just shows how disingenuous you're being.

OBM started HT with majid nawaz and choudary, you wouldn't equate the 2 as being the same now would you?

Your basically ranting about something you have very little knowledge about and had you not done the usual **** I would have happily discussed it with you

I challenge you to find me what choudary has said in quotes that saw him sentenced. Not the vague paper stuff but the exact quotes of his pledge etc. And if you are going to use googled paper arguments you night as well reference it

As for Isis claiming today's attack woopity ****in do they claim everything including the London bridge attack although security services said they had **** all to do with it

As I said sell you anything, or is it because it suits your argument that you will happily accept what doesn't happen?


Oh and he is a nice bloke. Very well spoken, respectful and quite charming tbh

Nawaz explicitly speaks out about the likes of Choudary, while Choudary's stuck on the same old record.
The two aren't the same and neither of them would claim to be.

Choudary's social media allegiance to ISIS wasn't denied in his court case.
He attempted to claim that he was talking about a concept, rather than ISIS itself.
Private correspondence showed that this wasn't true, though. Oops!

Whether they actually had anything to do with yesterday's attack isn't the point.
They're claiming responsibility, as they have for many, many atrocities and Choudary supports them.
Good job he's a nice bloke, eh?

 

[Tobes]

But why do you ignore the political reasons they use as well? There is more than one reason they use and you seem happy to just use one and try and pin to Islam..

Simple fact is your source was wrong..

Can you actually read like?

Go have another look at what I actually said, and the wiki page was never portrayed as fact, in fact I never even mentioned it, I just posted the link.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

The word yid isn't racist or anti-Semitic. It's use is about context.
The police clarified that a while ago. Perhaps you missed it?
Even if that were true, it would have nothing to do with your previous claims about it.
Just shows how disingenuous you're being.

Nawaz explicitly speaks out about the likes of Choudary, while Choudary's stuck on the same old record.
The two aren't the same and neither of them would claim to be.

Choudary's social media allegiance to ISIS wasn't denied in his court case.
He attempted to claim that he was talking about a concept, rather than ISIS itself.
Private correspondence showed that this wasn't true, though. Oops!

Whether they actually had anything to do with yesterday's attack isn't the point.
They're claiming responsibility, as they have for many, many atrocities and Choudary supports them.
Good job he's a nice bloke, eh?

Disingenuous? I was taking the piss you daft ****.

However yid is still an offensive word to Jews in the main. As likes of baddiel put it a majority of non Jewish supporters claiming ownership is like white people laying claim to the N word. Are you Jewish?

As for nawaz yes he openly criticises anjem on QT etc but anjem has always said he won't criticise people behind their back and even with nawaz only has done directly on newsnight etc

Can you show this "private correspondence" and I don't mean the text to his Mrs. The whole case was based on YouTube videos and the judge said there was no precedent. But now precedent has been set sorry to say you are guilty by the letter of the law for what I said earlier.

And yes it matters who did the atrocities or are you suggesting that every but job who says they are jack the ripper should be strung up?

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Disingenuous? I was taking the piss you daft ****.

However yid is still an offensive word to Jews in the main. As likes of baddiel put it a majority of non Jewish supporters claiming ownership is like white people laying claim to the N word. Are you Jewish?

As for nawaz yes he openly criticises anjem on QT etc but anjem has always said he won't criticise people behind their back and even with nawaz only has done directly on newsnight etc

Can you show this "private correspondence" and I don't mean the text to his Mrs. The whole case was based on YouTube videos and the judge said there was no precedent. But now precedent has been set sorry to say you are guilty by the letter of the law for what I said earlier.

And yes it matters who did the atrocities or are you suggesting that every but job who says they are jack the ripper should be strung up?

David Baddiel talks **** because he supports Chelsea and wants them to stop being ****s.
That isn't going to happen, so he blames the people that they're victimising.
Also, he's not in a position to talk about anything offensive:

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Blacking up to abuse a player? Really?

Can I show private correspondence? Would you like to think about that question again?
The whole case wasn't based on Youtube videos. That's bullshit. You're even admitting that by talking about the private correspondence.
You really haven't thought this through, have you?

ISIS have committed various atrocities already and they're claiming more.
Whether they did yesterday's one or not isn't relevant to whether they're a terrorist organisation.
That's the group that Choudary pledged himself to. The nice bloke.

 

[NSIS]

Disingenuous? I was taking the piss you daft ****.

However yid is still an offensive word to Jews in the main. As likes of baddiel put it a majority of non Jewish supporters claiming ownership is like white people laying claim to the N word. Are you Jewish?

As for nawaz yes he openly criticises anjem on QT etc but anjem has always said he won't criticise people behind their back and even with nawaz only has done directly on newsnight etc

Can you show this "private correspondence" and I don't mean the text to his Mrs. The whole case was based on YouTube videos and the judge said there was no precedent. But now precedent has been set sorry to say you are guilty by the letter of the law for what I said earlier.

And yes it matters who did the atrocities or are you suggesting that every but job who says they are jack the ripper should be strung up?

Mate, you're an apologist for this scum.

Do yourself a favour and **** off, eh!?...

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Mate, you're an apologist for this scum.

Do yourself a favour and **** off, eh!?...

No

 

[thefanwithnoname]

David Baddiel talks **** because he supports Chelsea and wants them to stop being ****s.
That isn't going to happen, so he blames the people that they're victimising.
Also, he's not in a position to talk about anything offensive:

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Blacking up to abuse a player? Really?

Can I show private correspondence? Would you like to think about that question again?
The whole case wasn't based on Youtube videos. That's bullshit. You're even admitting that by talking about the private correspondence.
You really haven't thought this through, have you?

ISIS have committed various atrocities already and they're claiming more.
Whether they did yesterday's one or not isn't relevant to whether they're a terrorist organisation.
That's the group that Choudary pledged himself to. The nice bloke.

Yeah what would the Jewish baddiel and other Jews know eh?

I want you to show me this correspondence