Sorry mate, but in what other military area have militia managed to recruit hundreds of operatives who they then tell to go and strap a nail bomb to themselves? The promise of the 15 virgins and eternal life is the 'sell' on which they convince these dumb ****s to carry out these acts.
Yes but to the civilians who have been affected and end up joining terrorism, it's possible that might be the issue. Especially if they have seen innocent being shot up (which we never really hear about).
No doubt ISIS and their ilk will portray it as deliberate, it's perfect recruiting material for them. Another reason I very much doubt it was deliberate.
That's bollocks mate and you know it, where does it state that suicide bombers will get 15 virgins? For you record the Tamil Tigers used the same tactics and well before the Muslims, were they following Qur'an as well? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bombings_in_Sri_Lanka The use of suicide bombing by the LTTE became notorious in the 90s when they developed a unique suicide bomb vest that would be emulated by terrorist groups around the world including the Middle East. On May 21, 1991, the LTTE achieved the distinction of being the first terrorist group to kill a world leader when they had Thenmozhi Rajaratnam blow herself up at a campaign rally for Rajiv Gandhi killing him and 14 other bystanders.[
Lots of attention whores on Twitter asking for re-tweets for fake relatives. I think this one is using a pic of our very own Matth.
Sorry my bad - 72 virgins Here's a suicide bomber talking about his motivation https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/...n-heaven-so-why-i-should-prefer-only-one-here Here's a piece about the letters left behind by a suicide bomber mentioning the same 'promise' http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...g-letters-delve-inside-minds-of-young-killers https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins
such ****ing nob jockeys. And you think that even when people have been blown up and separated you can still have gimps online trolling around. No surprises there are people who are willing to blow people up
we I don't think anyone expects or is asking for Israel to surrender. What most expect is for Israel to withdraw from all the illegally occupied territories and allow Palestine to operate as a normal state. If that were to happen,it would be a start to seeking an end to all this stupid murder and destruction
Agreed ... the US/West turning a blind eye to blatant land grabbing is completely unacceptable ... didn't we go to war with Saddam Hussain for doing exactly that?
That's ****ing sick. He's been on here today btw, so it's defo some cock womble Did you know about this @Matth_2014 ?
I'm not trying to be funny, but do we know that's fake? He's a Man Utd fan. Just checked and he has posted today, so it's probably bullshit.
A start, yes. But this lot have been at it for thousands of years. And the radical Islamist element will never accept the existence of Israel, in any form.
It's been brewing since humans first learned how to make swords and axes out of bronze. You'd think we would have found some other way of settling our differences by now, but apparently not. The weapons have got more sophisticated - but the people using them haven't changed much at all really.
Sorry mate it still doesn't mention where it says that they get this for suicide bombing and killing innocents? just because they assume that's what will happen doesn't mean that's what the text actually says. You quote Jihadwatch and yet no Islamic source seriously? they are renowned for their biased opinions and an hidden agenda. Simple answer NO, there is no promise of 72 virgins for martyrs, terrorists or suicide bombers anywhere in the Qur'an. Below is from an Muslim source: The section many people claim promises this is Chapter (78) sūrat l-naba (The Great News). The controversy is due to the poor translation of ONE verse from verses 29 to 34. The translation by Moshin And all things We have recorded in a Book. (29) So taste you (the results of your evil actions); No increase shall We give you, except in torment. (30) Verily, for the Muttaqûn[], there will be a success (Paradise); (31) Gardens and vineyards, (32) And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, (33) And a full cup (of wine). (34) The translation by Yusuf Ali And all things have We preserved on record. (29) "So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds); for no increase shall We grant you, except in Punishment." (30) Verily for the righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the Heart's) desires; (31) Gardens enclosed, and Grape-vines; (32) Companions of Equal Age; (33) And a Cup full (to the Brim). (34) We see from these 2 translations that the verse that causes all the problems is verse 33. The word for word translation of this verse is, please log in to view this image wakawāʿiba = And splendid companions CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and) N – accusative feminine plural noun please log in to view this image atrāban = well-matched, ADJ – accusative feminine plural indefinite adjective So how can some translators get it so wrong! Well the answer is simple. Many translators of the Quran from Arabic to other languages have used the Hadith and other sources to help in completing the translations. You therefore find many translations that use stories from the Hadith to elaborate the actual Quran translations. This is clearly the case with this verse in Mohsins and many other English and other language translations. It is therefore essential to check any controversial verse translation such as this with a true word for word translation of the actual Arabic Quran. It is clear from the true word for word translation of this verse that no such promise of 72 or even 1 virgin exists in the Quran. http://www.justislam.co.uk/product.php?products_id=216 Again just reiterate my point.. For you record the Tamil Tigers used the same tactics and well before the Muslims, were they following Qur'an as well? Looks like they even perfected it for these morons... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bombings_in_Sri_Lanka The use of suicide bombing by the LTTE became notorious in the 90s when they developed a unique suicide bomb vest that would be emulated by terrorist groups around the world including the Middle East. On May 21, 1991, the LTTE achieved the distinction of being the first terrorist group to kill a world leader when they had Thenmozhi Rajaratnam blow herself up at a campaign rally for Rajiv Gandhi killing him and 14 other bystanders.[
I couldn't give a rats ass if the 72 virgins is or isn't a correct interpretation of the Quran. The simple FACT is that it's being used by I.S. as their 'sell' to gullible ****s that end up carrying out these atrocities, to deny that is what's happening is ****ing delusional. As for the Tamil Tigers, I'd forgotten they'd used suicide bombings, but it doesn't alter the FACT that I.S. are using the 72 virgins bollocks.
The Crusaders were after control of the trade routes in the Eastern Mediterranean, and overland to Asia via what is now Iraq and Iran. The middle East was one of the richest parts of the world long before oil.
The greed of those in power, and the anger and gullibility of those willing to do the actual fighting.
[QUOTE="Bope Dinki IV, post: 10570908, member: 1015959] But last night? What strategic advantage was there to gain in just mindlessly blowing up children? Just to divide people and have them turn against Muslims? Most people are smarter than that.[/QUOTE] sorry Bope but alot of people are not smarter than that and you cant say otherwise until you come up against everyday numpties pointing fingers at you. but anyway...wrong is wrong...i dont think there is any room for a 'but'
That's fine, then don't quote **** you have no idea about as facts and claim its an Islamic/muslim view/texts... No one is denying anything, to simplistically say that is the only reason this happens and nothing to do with geopolitics is bollocks mate.
