David Moyes set to quit as Sunderland boss before end of the week

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Nostalgic said:
Just to balance the books a little about me saying we have not been as bad as indicated cast your minds back over the season and look at the points players have cost us: Pickford at Soton and his hesitation at Boro. Pienaar allowing Walker to hook the ball away at Spurs, Khazri fluffing a simple chance at WHU, Defoe against WBA, Jones etc. Possibly 10-15 points lost. Also add Kone's lack of effort that led directly to goals in games that we were doing OK in.

Please do not trot the old cliche of making your own luck and crap like that, as the impact of scoring the first goal goes a long way to deciding results in the Prem.

Finally, for good measure I will chuck the injury history again because as fast as we got player back somebody got crocked. A lousy season full chops and changes to a small squad but all that is chucked out of the window in the wailing about Moyes. it was about this time last season when Sam was sinking into his seat mouthing the description "pathetic" to our performances.
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To play that card one would in turn have to factor every other teams bad luck. We've had good luck too, as have other teams. Where do you stop on this trail of logic, we're not isolated in the world of luck, every team is on the receiving end of both good and bad fortune, it doesn't make the difference. We haven't gone down on goal difference or the odd point. We can't bemoan bad luck. We've been utterly obliterated this season. We've lost 26 games (the most) and only won 5(the least). We've been ****e. Worst in the league. Deserve to go down 100%
 
Bri said:
To play that card one would in turn have to factor every other teams bad luck. We've had good luck too, as have other teams. Where do you stop on this trail of logic, we're not isolated in the world of luck, every team is on the receiving end of both good and bad fortune, it doesn't make the difference. We haven't gone down on goal difference or the odd point. We can't bemoan bad luck. We've been utterly obliterated this season. We've lost 26 games (the most) and only won 5(the least). We've been ****e. Worst in the league. Deserve to go down 100%
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The stats speak for themselves and we are where we are which I accept. I just provided some factual evidence on how we arrived at them which are not all down to the manager who stands or falls by his players performances.

I do not think I factored luck into any part of my points.
 
Bri said:
To play that card one would in turn have to factor every other teams bad luck. We've had good luck too, as have other teams. Where do you stop on this trail of logic, we're not isolated in the world of luck, every team is on the receiving end of both good and bad fortune, it doesn't make the difference. We haven't gone down on goal difference or the odd point. We can't bemoan bad luck. We've been utterly obliterated this season. We've lost 26 games (the most) and only won 5(the least). We've been ****e. Worst in the league. Deserve to go down 100%
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Couldn't agree more. It is like blaming a water-logged pitch for your defeat. Makes sense only if your opponents happened to be fish
 
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Nostalgic said:
The stats speak for themselves and we are where we are which I accept. I just provided some factual evidence on how we arrived at them which are not all down to the manager who stands or falls by his players performances.

I do not think I factored luck into any part of my points.
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I didn't say you did, I merely added to the bit about luck.
 
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Bri said:
To play that card one would in turn have to factor every other teams bad luck. We've had good luck too, as have other teams. Where do you stop on this trail of logic, we're not isolated in the world of luck, every team is on the receiving end of both good and bad fortune, it doesn't make the difference. We haven't gone down on goal difference or the odd point. We can't bemoan bad luck. We've been utterly obliterated this season. We've lost 26 games (the most) and only won 5(the least). We've been ****e. Worst in the league. Deserve to go down 100%
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Those stats are damning!

But I just wonder how those stats would've / could've looked without the horrendous injury list we had from the start of the season.

Moyes, Short and the board are being dammed to hell from all sides (me included) but what if, just what if, we hadnt had the injuries we'd had.

An impossible and unfair question.

But. Just what if.
 
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Burly Hurley said:
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Those stats are damning!

But I just wonder how those stats would've / could've looked without the horrendous injury list we had from the start of the season.

Moyes, Short and the board are being dammed to hell from all sides (me included) but what if, just what if, we hadnt had the injuries we'd had.

An impossible and unfair question.

But. Just what if.
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That kind of question is not allowed.
 
Bri said:
Why the interest in what cheers me up? Creepy squinty stranger with a flowery avatar. :emoticon-0112-wonde
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And you did look behind you, didn't you? <laugh> You need neighbours buddy; even when they annoy you. Life would be pretty boring if you didn't face cheering up now and then
 
Squint Eye said:
And you did look behind you, didn't you? <laugh> You need neighbours buddy; even when they annoy you. Life would be pretty boring if you didn't face cheering up now and then
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Newcastle fan, joined years ago with 13 posts mainly on the Sunderland board. Help me understand.
 
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Burly Hurley said:
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Those stats are damning!

But I just wonder how those stats would've / could've looked without the horrendous injury list we had from the start of the season.

Moyes, Short and the board are being dammed to hell from all sides (me included) but what if, just what if, we hadnt had the injuries we'd had.

An impossible and unfair question.

But. Just what if.
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Every club gets injuries and as a result plays it's best line up less times than it can it's best.
We've been woeful at best but over the season atrocious more times than any other club according to the table.
You're not wrong to question Moyes performance.
 
SAFC Nacho said:
I'd rather have a manager who I didn't feel a strong urge to punch in the face and who wasn't a public embarrassment to himself and my club on the reg but if it's a choice between that and potential long term stability for us then it's a no brainer.

I didn't like Keane or Di Canio much before they took charge but I got over that pretty quickly.
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Thats the key, we don't want to be too picky about future managerial personal qualities -most would be an improvement on Moyes - desire to be here, team organisation and faith in our high achieving youngsters -largely lacking in Moyes.
Onward down a well worn road
 
I think you need to give Moyes a proper chance and give him time to shape a team. He inherited a shambles, let's face it.
 
fredor said:
Sorry Comm it is going to be a long time before I am going to allow you to relax again

Unless you have as much clout with the Mods on this forum as you had with Albert on the Newcastle forum and are able to get me banned
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Please don't derail every single thread following him round like a bad smell - it's tedious.

Go back on your own dedicated thread for him, must be up to a few thousand views now surely?
 
The bloke is done at Sunderland. He be gone after the season is finished.
 
Bri said:
To play that card one would in turn have to factor every other teams bad luck. We've had good luck too, as have other teams. Where do you stop on this trail of logic, we're not isolated in the world of luck, every team is on the receiving end of both good and bad fortune, it doesn't make the difference. We haven't gone down on goal difference or the odd point. We can't bemoan bad luck. We've been utterly obliterated this season. We've lost 26 games (the most) and only won 5(the least). We've been ****e. Worst in the league. Deserve to go down 100%
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Sorry Bri but it's all because of bad luck that we are relegated - us fans are unlucky enough to have watched that shower of ****e all season... So bad luck has played it's part... Just not in the end result of the season for the team!!
 
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