Effect of Brexit

[Leo]

The government will be relatively satisfied with the Supreme Court's decision. The split decision completely justified the appeal. The government fully expected a defeat and will ensure the forthcoming bill will have limited scope for remainers to cause problems. The court's ruling on the denial of devolved governments to affect the government's negotiations will delight the ministers.

How can they be satisfied - to use your own words the verdict was clear. 8 to 3 is not as close as 52 to 48
The government lost.
The appeal was shown to be frivolous and cost TM 2 months.
They could have prepared any bill back in OCtober or November if they thought they would lose. It shows that Parliament and not the Government is supreme.

 

[Leo]

Recent YouGov poll which gives the government overwhelming support for the priorities the PM has outlined.
Clearly most posters on here only speak for the minority view.

That is correct we represent the 48%. You alone represent the 52%. I think that is a shame as I would enoy a fuller debate and someone who could properly argue the brexit case - I think you have not done that as I said but accept it is not your job to persuade us.

 

[superhorns]

That is correct we represent the 48%. You alone represent the 52%. I think that is a shame as I would enoy a fuller debate and someone who could properly argue the brexit case - I think you have not done that as I said but accept it is not your job to persuade us.

I tried to upload the YouGov chart showing increasing majority support even amongst remainers for May's Brexit policies. Most people have moved on from referendum.

 

[superhorns]

How can they be satisfied - to use your own words the verdict was clear. 8 to 3 is not as close as 52 to 48
The government lost.
The appeal was shown to be frivolous and cost TM 2 months.
They could have prepared any bill back in OCtober or November if they thought they would lose. It shows that Parliament and not the Government is supreme.

To have 3 judges supporting the government's view showed this was debatable and not clear cut. It was a good exercise in democracy. It also showed the British government is supreme in negotiations with the EU. It has promised to listen to the devolved governments but thankfully they will have no blocking power.

 

[superhorns]

That is correct we represent the 48%. You alone represent the 52%. I think that is a shame as I would enoy a fuller debate and someone who could properly argue the brexit case - I think you have not done that as I said but accept it is not your job to persuade us.

Very few people have or are willing to change their minds over the referendum, if anythings views are more entrenched. I was pleased about the result, I am pleased that article 50 will be invoked as planned, and pleased with the plan the PM has laid out.
I very much doubt any views forwarded by you or any other remainers on this forum would change the minds of of the majority that voted for leave.

 

[Leo]

I tried to upload the YouGov chart showing increasing majority support even amongst remainers for May's Brexit policies. Most people have moved on from referendum.

Don't bother - it is only a poll of a few people so nothing reliable can be taken from it. I did see that TM's speech got a generally warm welcome - even from me - but that does not mean I would not halt brexit if I could

 

[Leo]

To have 3 judges supporting the government's view showed this was debatable and not clear cut. It was a good exercise in democracy. It also showed the British government is supreme in negotiations with the EU. It has promised to listen to the devolved governments but thankfully they will have no blocking power.

Oh please - NOT CLEAR CUT when 27% opposed but in the referendum 48% opposed and you call that clear cut. You hoist yourself on your own petard.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

How about a question

"Would you block BREXIT based on what you now know about the implications?"

 

[Leo]

. It also showed the British government is supreme in negotiations with the EU. It has promised to listen to the devolved governments but thankfully they will have no blocking power.

It did the opposite - it showed that Parliament not the Government is supreme. The government are just the executive agency to do what Parliament tells them.

 

[Leo]

How about a question

"Would you block BREXIT based on what you now know about the implications?"

I do not think anyone can block brexit. Do you have a cunning plan ?

 

[superhorns]

I do not think anyone can block brexit. Do you have a cunning plan ?

It is clear nothing will stop Brexit, all of the wrecking motions are thankfully falling by the wayside. We need a rapid and smooth transit for the new bill through both houses.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

It was a one off referendum just as the original one was on the common market. When we leave the benefit will be that you will no longer need to debate an issue that had been decided.

Just read this .. I thought we were operating under some sort of new respect...... That is a non-answer (again) and no respect shown to the question or the questioner IMO

 

[yorkshirehornet]

I do not think anyone can block brexit. Do you have a cunning plan ?

I was following on from the you gov poll and trying to find a question that would tackle this head on

Cunning plan.... erm ... yes.... how to get more vino in the car on the next trip without Mme noticing

 

[Leo]

Just read this .. I thought we were operating under some sort of new respect...... That is a non-answer (again) and no respect shown to the question or the questioner IMO

- let's not set our sights too high. We will take respect to mean not being abusive - criticising the point not the person. I think we are a long way from a time when we can demand an answer - each of our posters must choose which things they do or don't answer. I certainly do not intend to answer posts that simply post a long and rambling article that I cannot be bothered to read nor ones where a person fails to make a point worthy of answering. My aim is to prevent the board from being full of complaints about each other and how we post - we can ignore what we do not like and engage in debate with those who are prepared to.

 

[Leo]

I imagine BB will not be happy about parts of the ruling

 

[yorkshirehornet]

It is clear nothing will stop Brexit, all of the wrecking motions are thankfully falling by the wayside. We need a rapid and smooth transit for the new bill through both houses.

I can only think you have some pecuniary gain in all of this... many commentators say we should proceed with caution and care....

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

So there I have been wielding a paint roller, while one of the most important issues about our constitution was being discussed. Very pleased that sense prevailed, and the PM was knocked back from her position of believing she was some sort of a Supreme Being. I understand the legal position regarding the devolved governments being part of a Union, not a Federal State, but cannot now see how she can achieve her aim of bringing the whole of the UK together, let alone half of the population. It was made clear in the judgement that the legislation to hold the referendum, did not include any provision what to do after it was held. It therefore cannot be said that the words of politicians at the time can hold any legal requirement for them to act in any particular way. I am sure that this will do nothing to bring forward a politician of real standing who can get the UK out of it's current divided state.

 

[Leo]

I can only think you have some pecuniary gain in all of this... many commentators say we should proceed with caution and care....

I think the SNP, LibDems and even Labour to an extent will try to make sure this Bill's passage is anything but smooth and straightforward. I suspect the government will need to guillotine a lot of discussion if it is to maintain its timetable. The Lords is an unknown entitiy in this. 100 unelected LibDem Lords ma have an influence -enough to get brexiters frothing.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

I think the SNP, LibDems and even Labour to an extent will try to make sure this Bill's passage is anything but smooth and straightforward. I suspect the government will need to guillotine a lot of discussion if it is to maintain its timetable. The Lords is an unknown entitiy in this. 100 unelected LibDem Lords ma have an influence -enough to get brexiters frothing.

and of course this is our constitution with its checks and balances..it is about time they frothed away some of this supercilious propaganda

 

[Leo]

and of course this is our constitution with its checks and balances..it is about time they frothed away some of this supercilious propaganda

- now tell me honestly Yorkie - have you been out picking mushrooms again?