Feel bad for Mike but anyone else think these are exciting times?

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There've been various posts on here in the last day or so saying we can stay up but only if we start Jak. People were convinced that Phelan only played Marshall because he was 'his' signing (even though he almost definitely wasn't his signing). Phelan definitely lost a lot of support on here over the Marshall situaton, and Silva is likely to do exactly the same as what Phelan did. Hopefully people will be more understanding for a 'cooler' manager. No idea why you'd think my reaction to Jak starting would be interesting. I'm not fanatical about one particular keeper like some of you lot are, I just want to go back to a time where we discuss team selections in a less hysterical way, where doing something the fans wouldn't do doesn't automatically mean they're a terrible manager.



As I'm sure you're aware, 4-4-2 is seen as a rigid, old-fashioned English thing when it suits.

If we're expecting this guy to bring his sexy European style of football, surely it'll be 4-3-3 as Syd says, which won't please the "FORWARD!" brigade on here.

4-3-3 can be quite attacking.
 
As I'm sure you're aware, 4-4-2 is seen as a rigid, old-fashioned English thing when it suits.

If we're expecting this guy to bring his sexy European style of football, surely it'll be 4-3-3 as Syd says, which won't please the "FORWARD!" brigade on here.

I can't think of any British managers who play 4-4-2.
 
4-3-3 can be quite attacking.

Of course. You won't see me complaining about it being an incorrect formation. But the first time we lose playing it, people will be moaning that we OBVIOUSLY need two centre forwards and Silva is the only one who can't see it. God help us if he favours a style of keeping the ball and building from the back.

I can't think of any British managers who play 4-4-2.

Not many managers of any nationality do in the PL. Although Sean Dyche is the notable one.
 
There've been various posts on here in the last day or so saying we can stay up but only if we start Jak. People were convinced that Phelan only played Marshall because he was 'his' signing (even though he almost definitely wasn't his signing). Phelan definitely lost a lot of support on here over the Marshall situaton, and Silva is likely to do exactly the same as what Phelan did. Hopefully people will be more understanding for a 'cooler' manager. No idea why you'd think my reaction to Jak starting would be interesting. I'm not fanatical about one particular keeper like some of you lot are, I just want to go back to a time where we discuss team selections in a less hysterical way, where doing something the fans wouldn't do doesn't automatically mean they're a terrible manager.



As I'm sure you're aware, 4-4-2 is seen as a rigid, old-fashioned English thing when it suits.

If we're expecting this guy to bring his sexy European style of football, surely it'll be 4-3-3 as Syd says, which won't please the "FORWARD!" brigade on here.

433 can work well if the players are coached to use it correctly and are fit enough. I have a feeling we might find that our fitness levels are relatively poor. He will be looking for the mid-field 3 to support the 3 up front when attacking but get back into shape as soon as they lose the ball. Also the front 3 to press the defence, to get the ball back quickly. I suspect to do this they will have to get the fitness levels up.
 
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433 can work well if the players are coached to use it correctly and are fit enough. I have a feeling we might find that our fitness levels are relatively poor. He will be looking for the mid-field 3 to support the 3 up front when attacking but get back into shape as soon as they lose the ball. Also the front 3 to press the defence, to get the ball back quickly. I suspect to do this they will have to get the fitness levels up.

If we're going to press as a team that'd be great. It's really frustrating to watch, particularly on TV, when we drop off and concede that we'll have barely any possession. However I think the reason we do that is more a lack of confidence in the team to compete by squaring up to our opposition than it is about fitness. I'd have thought we were one of the fittest sides. We have Robertson and Elmo out wide, Jake and Meyler who speak for themselves, and Diomande up front is a workhorse too.
 
Of course. You won't see me complaining about it being an incorrect formation. But the first time we lose playing it, people will be moaning that we OBVIOUSLY need two centre forwards and Silva is the only one who can't see it. God help us if he favours a style of keeping the ball and building from the back.

Personally I think 4-3-3 is the biggest lie peddled to the football watching public. Of every PL team we're told play 4-3-3, none of them do. They all play 4-5-1 or 4-3-2-1.
 
If we're going to press as a team that'd be great. It's really frustrating to watch, particularly on TV, when we drop off and concede that we'll have barely any possession. However I think the reason we do that is more a lack of confidence in the team to compete by squaring up to our opposition than it is about fitness. I'd have thought we were one of the fittest sides. We have Robertson and Elmo out wide, Jake and Meyler who speak for themselves, and Diomande up front is a workhorse too.

Could be, but we seem to not keep the levels up for 90+ minutes, as we are conceding late goals. It is probably a combination of both those things, there is no doubt confidence seems to evaporate once we concede, though we have come back from being down one or two occasions this season. TWT as our dear departed friend FT would say.

Edit: I have always felt that in games we sit too deep in defence, and the distance between the back line and the midfield when defending is too wide, and opposition get between the 2 lines. I think we will see the backline pushing up and when defending the back line and the mid field closer together, which makes it harder for team to penetrate us.
 
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Could be, but we seem to not keep the levels up for 90+ minutes, as we are conceding late goals. It is probably a combination of both those things, there is no doubt confidence seems to evaporate once we concede, though we have come back from being down one or two occasions this season. TWT as our dear departed friend FT would say.

Edit: I have always felt that in games we sit too deep in defence, and the distance between the back line and the midfield when defending is too wide, and opposition get between the 2 lines. I think we will see the backline pushing up and when defending the back line and the mid field closer together, which makes it harder for team to penetrate us.

We seem to have gaps right across the field.
Midfield is to far back so no link to front line.
Defence to far away from midfield as you say.Defence dropping back crowds Marshall with the disaster recent consequences.
I think it is down to mobility/speed throughout the spine of the team.
 
We seem to have gaps right across the field.
Midfield is to far back so no link to front line.
Defence to far away from midfield as you say.Defence dropping back crowds Marshall with the disaster recent consequences.
I think it is down to mobility/speed throughout the spine of the team.

That's why I said I think we might find our fitness levels are not as good as they should be. But also that is coaching, getting the team back into the right shape when they lose the ball, which I don't think we have been doing.
 
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I can't see how Silva can improve the shortcomings of our attackers ( our main weakness).
I remain sceptical about the war chest at his disposal.
I remain sceptical about getting the type of players we need to come here, given our league position, our toxic name etc
If this appointment had been made in June or July, we might have seen a completely different scenario.
Ehab seems chuffed with himself. 6 months too late mate.
Attackers one of our weaknesses, what about the really poor defence? How many goals conceded is it now?
 
People seem excited about Silva. People seem to have an issue that Phelan picked Marshall, he played one up front, he played X player in an 'incorrect position' or he made a sub and we subsequently lost the game, (which of course means it was definitely due to the awful, awful substitution).

Silva is almost definitely going to start Marshall in the league too. Foreigners don't tend to do 4-4-2, so sadly it might well be one up front again. He'll put players in whatever position he thinks is right, which if it seems unusual will obviously be deemed 'incorrect' by people on here.

Just hope all this bluster about getting behind him actually lasts longer than a game or two. Remember we're still expected to lose pretty much every game. Even Bournemouth will probably be favourites at the KCOM.

You think alot about what others think. It might be better if you thought more about what you think. Try keeping what you think coupled with the context of starting elevens, substitutions, first and second half performances and, eventually, results. It's becoming ****ing tedious having to read your endless criticisms of fellow board members. We have never kicked a ball to change anything at Hull City, but we know something wasn't right.
 
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I do like the 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 formation as it's very easy to create overloads when attacking or defending.

You do need 3 reliable centre halves though.
 
I am not really fussed what system the new manager players, I think whatever system we play whether it's 1, 2 or 3 up top doesn't really matter if they go out with the intent to sit back. We can play with one up top but if we allow midfield players to make runs to support him, and allow the wingers to run beyond the defence in the hope he wins a flick on it doesn't matter. Systems make very little difference, it's the intent they go out with.

Let's try and go down in a blaze of glory, go out and try and win every game, forgetting trying to scrap for a point lets aim high. At least it will be entertaining.
 
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we only have to be better than 3 other teams.
under MS, we can do that, no sweat.
I predict Swansea, Boro and Sunderland to go down.
 
You think alot about what others think. It might be better if you thought more about what you think. Try keeping what you think coupled with the context of starting elevens, substitutions, first and second half performances and, eventually, results. It's becoming ****ing tedious having to read your endless criticisms of fellow board members. We have never kicked a ball to change anything at Hull City, but we know something wasn't right.
Says Fez, thinking about what others think.......