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[superhorns]

Not 10 years out of date SH. Once again you are making assumptions about people you do not know. Of the top 50 busiest ports in the World, Felixstowe is on place 37 and there is no eastern seeboard port in the USA. on the list. Their 3 biggest are on the Pacific side ie. Los Angeles (place 19), Long Beach (place 21) and Seattle-Tacoma (place 44). They do not have the port capacity on the Atlantic coast. Felixstowe handles just under a third of the volume from Rotterdam, and less than half of that of Antwerp. There is a lot of building to do if you are serious about a revival of trans Atlantic trade. My son is second officer on one of the Maersk E-Class container ships and I can tell you that most big container ships call at several North European ports whilst in the area - always Rotterdam, often Antwerp or Bremerhaven and sometimes Felixstowe as well.

The pressure on capacity is on the west coast, the eastern port of Savannah is undergoing a massive investment programme. Farage's mate Trump has indicated there will be a vast increase in spending on infrastructure including ports. He will make sure those dealing with good old Blighty are adequate.

 

[superhorns]

Not being negative SH. Just pointing out the possible pitfalls ahead - just like I would point them out to someone about to jump off a cliff. I wouldn't stand there trying to convince them that it wouldn't be so bad after all - like, there are possibilities in this, like the freedom, and sovereignty found in free flight. You still haven't answered my question from earlier - What is your definition of a successfull country ? And don't answer quoting only production figures and GDP. I will scream !

You need to try to understand how important fiscal policies and competences are.
A successful country is one where unemployment is low with sufficient economic growth to pay for adequate services. One that has the most respected law system in the world. One where citizens of other nations clamour to live in given the chance.
One where it is possible to start a business with ease with no barriers for anyone who has the desire to achieve.
I would describe an unsuccessful country as one with high unemployment with the young particularly hard hit. It would also have polarised political views with the far right in ascendency. The failing countries would include those with political instability and also those with an inability to properly control its borders.

 

[colognehornet]

You need to try to understand how important fiscal policies and competences are.
A successful country is one where unemployment is low with sufficient economic growth to pay for adequate services. One that has the most respected law system in the world. One where citizens of other nations clamour to live in given the chance.
One where it is possible to start a business with ease with no barriers for anyone who has the desire to achieve.
I would describe an unsuccessful country as one with high unemployment with the young particularly hard hit. It would also have polarised political views with the far right in ascendency. The failing countries would include those with political instability and also those with an inability to properly control its borders.

Which countries have the highest living standards SH ? and by living standards I mean that as being shared amongst the bulk of the population. Which have the highest overall standards in education, health, democratic accountability, security in old age, physical safety, transparency, political activity, environmental protection etc. certainly not the USA. and certainly not Britain. Of course you can create zero hour contracts, casual hire fire employment, enforced freelance work and cut down the unemployed figures through these means. But is this real employment ? Also, Britain looks to be politically pretty unstable at the moment.

 

[superhorns]

Which countries have the highest living standards SH ? and by living standards I mean that as being shared amongst the bulk of the population. Which have the highest overall standards in education, health, democratic accountability, security in old age, physical safety, transparency, political activity, environmental protection etc. certainly not the USA. and certainly not Britain. Of course you can create zero hour contracts, casual hire fire employment, enforced freelance work and cut down the unemployed figures through these means. But is this real employment ? Also, Britain looks to be politically pretty unstable at the moment.

Britain is the most politically stable country in Europe. We have minuscule support for the far left and the far right, unlike Germany, France etc etc.

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[colognehornet]

Britain is the most politically stable country in Europe. We have minuscule support for the far left and the far right, unlike Germany, France etc etc.

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Where do you drag up your statistics from - out of thin air ? There have been several studies made of comparative school systems, and not one of them places Britain that high. The WEF. rankings for overall education systems (including Univ.) is:
1. S. Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland

For only the school system (and this is the important one):
1. Finland
2. Equal - Switzerland and Belgium
3. Singapore
4. The Netherlands

 

[superhorns]

Where do you drag up your statistics from - out of thin air ? There have been several studies made of comparative school systems, and not one of them places Britain that high. The WEF. rankings for overall education systems (including Univ.) is:
1. S. Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland

For only the school system (and this is the important one):
1. Finland
2. Equal - Switzerland and Belgium
3. Singapore
4. The Netherlands

In the 2016 social progress report the UK was one of the 'very high social progress' countries coming in at number 9. Germany and France were merely in the 'high social progress' band at numbers 15 and 18 respectively.

The 2016 universities 21 annual rankings of national systems of higher education puts the UK in 4th place. Germany is 16th, France 17th, Spain 24th. This is based on resources, environment, connectivity and output.

 

[colognehornet]

In the 2016 social progress report the UK was one of the 'very high social progress' countries coming in at number 9. Germany and France were merely in the 'high social progress' band at numbers 15 and 18 respectively.

The 2016 universities 21 annual rankings of national systems of higher education puts the UK in 4th place. Germany is 16th, France 17th, Spain 24th. This is based on resources, environment, connectivity and output.

Where is the source ? And is it an independent one ? What social progress report - done by who ? Mine come from the WEF = World Economic Forum, and yours ? Or do you just quote things at random, not questioning their source ?

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

I had my son-in law here for the day, who works in the Pharmaceutical Approval Industry. The European Medicines Agency is based in London, employing 4,500 experts from all over the continent, many being very specialized in specific fields. There has been speculation since the referendum that if the UK leaves the EU the EMA would go to. It seems that the departure has already started. My s-i-l works for an American company that has used the UK as it's base for a foothold in Europe. Directly after the vote the office in London was closed, some of the staff were relocated to the Brussels office, while others lost their jobs. The week before Christmas my s-i-l was asked to go to Limoges to discuss with some companies there the possibility of setting up what was the UK operation in France. From the e-mails he has received back it looks very likely to happen.
The USA companies that sell medicines into the EU have to comply with very strict rules set out by the EMA. The attitude of the American companies is one of dealing directly with the EU institution rather than going through the UK as they do now. Should the UK be outside the EU and wanted the pharmaceutical companies to continue selling, then the EU compliance rules would still have to be adhered to. So nothing would change, except for the loss of jobs, the loss of revenue to the government and the loss of experts in their field working alongside their British counterparts.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

Where is the source ? And is it an independent one ? What social progress report - done by who ? Mine come from the WEF = World Economic Forum, and yours ? Or do you just quote things at random, not questioning their source ?

Seems to be some sort of US media sponsored survey.....

http://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/best-education

There are no indicators seemingly other than three questions asked of respondees ......

 

[andytoprankin]

I had my son-in law here for the day, who works in the Pharmaceutical Approval Industry. The European Medicines Agency is based in London, employing 4,500 experts from all over the continent, many being very specialized in specific fields. There has been speculation since the referendum that if the UK leaves the EU the EMA would go to. It seems that the departure has already started. My s-i-l works for an American company that has used the UK as it's base for a foothold in Europe. Directly after the vote the office in London was closed, some of the staff were relocated to the Brussels office, while others lost their jobs. The week before Christmas my s-i-l was asked to go to Limoges to discuss with some companies there the possibility of setting up what was the UK operation in France. From the e-mails he has received back it looks very likely to happen.
The USA companies that sell medicines into the EU have to comply with very strict rules set out by the EMA. The attitude of the American companies is one of dealing directly with the EU institution rather than going through the UK as they do now. Should the UK be outside the EU and wanted the pharmaceutical companies to continue selling, then the EU compliance rules would still have to be adhered to. So nothing would change, except for the loss of jobs, the loss of revenue to the government and the loss of experts in their field working alongside their British counterparts.

This is terrible. It is, of course, an example of the reality of the stupid example of 'democracy' we witnessed in June. The glib answer is that this ties in with Mr Gove's "Britain's had enough of experts" argument.

 

[superhorns]

I had my son-in law here for the day, who works in the Pharmaceutical Approval Industry. The European Medicines Agency is based in London, employing 4,500 experts from all over the continent, many being very specialized in specific fields. There has been speculation since the referendum that if the UK leaves the EU the EMA would go to. It seems that the departure has already started. My s-i-l works for an American company that has used the UK as it's base for a foothold in Europe. Directly after the vote the office in London was closed, some of the staff were relocated to the Brussels office, while others lost their jobs. The week before Christmas my s-i-l was asked to go to Limoges to discuss with some companies there the possibility of setting up what was the UK operation in France. From the e-mails he has received back it looks very likely to happen.
The USA companies that sell medicines into the EU have to comply with very strict rules set out by the EMA. The attitude of the American companies is one of dealing directly with the EU institution rather than going through the UK as they do now. Should the UK be outside the EU and wanted the pharmaceutical companies to continue selling, then the EU compliance rules would still have to be adhered to. So nothing would change, except for the loss of jobs, the loss of revenue to the government and the loss of experts in their field working alongside their British counterparts.

France has been shunned by commercial businesses for many years as a place to invest in due to its unrealistic labour laws. This has been recognised by Fillon who may or may not have a chance to correct them. Some leading American industrialists have even gone on to say 'you would need your head tested to invest in France'. This is one of the reasons why the unemployment rate is twice that of the UK.

In the spirit of 'entente cordiale' we don't mind giving France a small number of jobs to help them in their desperation, particularly when 500,000 state workers are set to lose theirs.

The UK is such an attractive location for inward investment creating jobs is no problem.

 

[superhorns]

Interesting to get the breakdown of expats and migrants.

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More migrants will come to Britain than the entire populations of Bulgaria, Latvia and Lithuania combined if the UK stays in the Single Market after Brexit, a think tank has warned.

A new analysis by Migration Watch found that unless free movement is curbed after Brexit more than 12million people will come to Britain over the next 25 years, putting an ever increasing strain on public services.

It warned that the scope for a "significant reduction" in the level of migration is "extremely limited" if Britain remains a member of the single market and is subject to free movement rules.

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The think tank's intervention adds to mounting pressure on Theresa May to formally rule out membership of the single market after Brexit in a move that has been described as a "hard Brexit".

Lord King, the former head of the Bank of England, said earlier this week that the Government should stop "pretending" that Britain will remain a member of the market after Brexit.

Alp Mehmet, vice chairman of Migration Watch UK, said: "“This research spells out the very serious consequences for our society of net migration continuing at its present scale with membership of the single market resulting in a relentless increase in our population.

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"An increase of anything like 12 million in just 25 years is, quite simply, unacceptable to the British public and certainly not what they voted for in the referendum.”

The most recent official figures showed that total international net migration - the difference between the number of people arriving and leaving the country - was at a near record estimated level of 335,000 in the year to the end of June.

The paper from Migration Watch suggests that net migration, including both EU and non-EU migrants, is likely to remain at more than 300,000 in the medium to long term unless Britain leaves the single market.

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Net migration from the European Union alone will remain at 155,000 as migrants are drawn to Britain by the prospect of higher wages and more jobs.

The report found that the UK's minimum wage remains three times higher than that of Poland, five times higher than in Romania and six times higher than in Bulgaria.

Migrants will also continue to be attracted to Britain because of the high rates of youth unemployment in southern Europe.

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The report says: "At a time when the UK government is seeking to close the budget deficit it is hard to see where the money will come from to provide the additional schools, GP surgeries, hospitals and housing, not to speak of how the country’s road and rail networks will cope with such rapid growth.

"The housing crisis, already having a huge impact on people’s lives, is bound to worsen. Indeed we would have to build a new home every four and a half minutes just to house the new migrants and their families."

It urges Mrs May to introduce a work permit system to control the numbers coming to the UK. It says: "Leaving the single market would allow the UK government to control the entry of EU citizens.

"We have recommended that they should have visa free access unless they wish to work.

"Workers would have to apply for Work Permits that would be confined to those offered highly skilled work. We estimate that this would reduce net migration from the EU by about 100,000 a year and would significantly slow our population growth."

The Prime Minister has said that controlling migration will be a red line in her negotiations with the European Union, but has repeatedly refused to rule out staying in the single market.

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[colognehornet]

Interesting to get the breakdown of expats and migrants.

More migrants will come to UK than entire EU populations if Britain stays in single market, warns think tank
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• Steven Swinford, deputy political editor

29 DECEMBER 2016 • 12:01AM
More migrants will come to Britain than the entire populations of Bulgaria, Latvia and Lithuania combined if the UK stays in the Single Market after Brexit, a think tank has warned.

A new analysis by Migration Watch found that unless free movement is curbed after Brexit more than 12million people will come to Britain over the next 25 years, putting an ever increasing strain on public services.

It warned that the scope for a "significant reduction" in the level of migration is "extremely limited" if Britain remains a member of the single market and is subject to free movement rules.

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The think tank's intervention adds to mounting pressure on Theresa May to formally rule out membership of the single market after Brexit in a move that has been described as a "hard Brexit".

Lord King, the former head of the Bank of England, said earlier this week that the Government should stop "pretending" that Britain will remain a member of the market after Brexit.

Alp Mehmet, vice chairman of Migration Watch UK, said: "“This research spells out the very serious consequences for our society of net migration continuing at its present scale with membership of the single market resulting in a relentless increase in our population.

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"An increase of anything like 12 million in just 25 years is, quite simply, unacceptable to the British public and certainly not what they voted for in the referendum.”

The most recent official figures showed that total international net migration - the difference between the number of people arriving and leaving the country - was at a near record estimated level of 335,000 in the year to the end of June.

The paper from Migration Watch suggests that net migration, including both EU and non-EU migrants, is likely to remain at more than 300,000 in the medium to long term unless Britain leaves the single market.

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Net migration from the European Union alone will remain at 155,000 as migrants are drawn to Britain by the prospect of higher wages and more jobs.

The report found that the UK's minimum wage remains three times higher than that of Poland, five times higher than in Romania and six times higher than in Bulgaria.

Migrants will also continue to be attracted to Britain because of the high rates of youth unemployment in southern Europe.

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The report says: "At a time when the UK government is seeking to close the budget deficit it is hard to see where the money will come from to provide the additional schools, GP surgeries, hospitals and housing, not to speak of how the country’s road and rail networks will cope with such rapid growth.

"The housing crisis, already having a huge impact on people’s lives, is bound to worsen. Indeed we would have to build a new home every four and a half minutes just to house the new migrants and their families."

It urges Mrs May to introduce a work permit system to control the numbers coming to the UK. It says: "Leaving the single market would allow the UK government to control the entry of EU citizens.

"We have recommended that they should have visa free access unless they wish to work.

"Workers would have to apply for Work Permits that would be confined to those offered highly skilled work. We estimate that this would reduce net migration from the EU by about 100,000 a year and would significantly slow our population growth."

The Prime Minister has said that controlling migration will be a red line in her negotiations with the European Union, but has repeatedly refused to rule out staying in the single market.

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Your use of external propaganda is getting more and more like Dr. Goebbels every day. Try bringing in your own material and arguing your own case before resorting to bringing in this type of alarmist rubbish. The actual numbers of EU. migrants are less than for many other EU. countries - in fact, per head of population, about average. EU. migrants are also under represented amongst claimants of social benefits - compared to both non EU. migrants and to natives. Britain simply does not have a 'problem' with European migration - you just need scapegoats to blame for all of Britain's ills. If it's not them it is Scotland, the EU. the lefties, the Unions - soon you may have no scapegoats left.

 

[superhorns]

Your use of external propaganda is getting more and more like Dr. Goebbels every day. Try bringing in your own material and arguing your own case before resorting to bringing in this type of alarmist rubbish. The actual numbers of EU. migrants are less than for many other EU. countries - in fact, per head of population, about average. EU. migrants are also under represented amongst claimants of social benefits - compared to both non EU. migrants and to natives. Britain simply does not have a 'problem' with European migration - you just need scapegoats to blame for all of Britain's ills. If it's not them it is Scotland, the EU. the lefties, the Unions - soon you may have no scapegoats left.

The article included a chart with the breakdown of each country, for some reason it did not copy. Britain does have a problem with unregulated numbers of migrants from the EU, that was the main reason why Britain voted to leave the EU after Cameron failed to achieve any kind of sensible control. You ask for facts but when presented with them you try to dismiss the findings. The UK is not the only country unhappy with the direction the EU is heading. A recent WIN/Gallup poll of 15,000 showed 89% in Greece, 82% in France, 79% in Italy and 62% in Germany did not like the eurocrats idea of more common government. This has encouraged the rise of far right wing populist parties.

Hopefully the mass sexual attacks on German citizens will not be repeated in Cologne on new year's eve. I don't think the police will be allowed to disgracefully hide details if it happened again.

 

[superhorns]

The article included a chart with the breakdown of each country, for some reason it did not copy. Britain does have a problem with unregulated numbers of migrants from the EU, that was the main reason why Britain voted to leave the EU after Cameron failed to achieve any kind of sensible control. You ask for facts but when presented with them you try to dismiss the findings. The UK is not the only country unhappy with the direction the EU is heading. A recent WIN/Gallup poll of 15,000 showed 89% in Greece, 82% in France, 79% in Italy and 62% in Germany did not like the eurocrats idea of more common government. This has encouraged the rise of far right wing populist parties.

Hopefully the mass sexual attacks on German citizens will not be repeated in Cologne on new year's eve. I don't think the police will be allowed to disgracefully hide details if it happened again.

Dr Goebbels would have been extremely proud of his countrymen in the way they manipulated news of the attacks to avoid embarrassment to Merkel after her disastrous open door policy.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

When I first moved to France I found a class locally that I hoped would improve my language skills that were basic. Our teacher was a lovely lady from Burnley, who introduced us students to her husband and two small daughters. The elder one Heather was a nine year old, who had been to school in England, but now went to one of the local schools. Over the years I watched Heather growing up, going on to secondary school and then university. Part of her studies included working abroad, which took her to Peru for a year, where she taught English to children in schools. She then spent another six months working with children in Spain. While on her travels she stopped in the USA, Canada, and Germany.
Recently she wrote an article for a local magazine about her experiences and how it had helped to form her outlook on the world that she will have to live in. As she speaks French with a flawless accent and English with an equally good Lancashire one she said that people often asked her did she feel more English or French. Her response always was that she felt a citizen of the world firstly and European secondly.
It is uplifting when I do meet up with her these days as she has grown up to be just as lovely as her mother. It makes me ashamed to know that there are so many who can only see their own noses, only want to talk about keeping foreigners away from them, only try to blame others for their own failures and think that they can isolate themselves from the rest of humanity.
Heather has grown up into a fine young woman who has a far wider view of life and the world than many who wish to pull up the drawbridge and retreat into a country of the past that will never return. All countries have problems, but as Heather said in her article, people need to work together to get the best for all.

 

[superhorns]

FTSE futures down 8% at 4.45

Thank you Brexiters that is my retirement fu@@ed....

40 years of savings gone... thank you you smart assed egotists.

I am sorry but i have just seen the triumphalism of Farage....

Remember the above post from June 24th?

The FTSE Futures 100 Index has just reached an all time high, perhaps somebody needs to buy our Farage a pint?

 

[colognehornet]

The article included a chart with the breakdown of each country, for some reason it did not copy. Britain does have a problem with unregulated numbers of migrants from the EU, that was the main reason why Britain voted to leave the EU after Cameron failed to achieve any kind of sensible control. You ask for facts but when presented with them you try to dismiss the findings. The UK is not the only country unhappy with the direction the EU is heading. A recent WIN/Gallup poll of 15,000 showed 89% in Greece, 82% in France, 79% in Italy and 62% in Germany did not like the eurocrats idea of more common government. This has encouraged the rise of far right wing populist parties.

Hopefully the mass sexual attacks on German citizens will not be repeated in Cologne on new year's eve. I don't think the police will be allowed to disgracefully hide details if it happened again.

SH. the percentage of the British population coming from other EU. countries makes up 5% of the overall population. That is an insufficient number to be asking the EU. for 'special conditions' - the rates are far higher in Germany, France, Belgium or the Netherlands. In terms of 'hiding details' when referring to the German police - it is illegal to publically give out the nationalities or ethnic origins of people who have committed crimes, or who have been arrested. I think that this may be the same in the UK.

 

[Bolton's Boots]

When I first moved to France I found a class locally that I hoped would improve my language skills that were basic. Our teacher was a lovely lady from Burnley, who introduced us students to her husband and two small daughters. The elder one Heather was a nine year old, who had been to school in England, but now went to one of the local schools. Over the years I watched Heather growing up, going on to secondary school and then university. Part of her studies included working abroad, which took her to Peru for a year, where she taught English to children in schools. She then spent another six months working with children in Spain. While on her travels she stopped in the USA, Canada, and Germany.
Recently she wrote an article for a local magazine about her experiences and how it had helped to form her outlook on the world that she will have to live in. As she speaks French with a flawless accent and English with an equally good Lancashire one she said that people often asked her did she feel more English or French. Her response always was that she felt a citizen of the world firstly and European secondly.
It is uplifting when I do meet up with her these days as she has grown up to be just as lovely as her mother. It makes me ashamed to know that there are so many who can only see their own noses, only want to talk about keeping foreigners away from them, only try to blame others for their own failures and think that they can isolate themselves from the rest of humanity.
Heather has grown up into a fine young woman who has a far wider view of life and the world than many who wish to pull up the drawbridge and retreat into a country of the past that will never return. All countries have problems, but as Heather said in her article, people need to work together to get the best for all.

As they say - travel broadens the mind. It certainly did for me - and one day I may pay a visit to my old school to try to find out if I ever did pass those O levels.

Or maybe not, as they really only represent what I still view as a wasted four years of my life.

 

[superhorns]

SH. the percentage of the British population coming from other EU. countries makes up 5% of the overall population. That is an insufficient number to be asking the EU. for 'special conditions' - the rates are far higher in Germany, France, Belgium or the Netherlands. In terms of 'hiding details' when referring to the German police - it is illegal to publically give out the nationalities or ethnic origins of people who have committed crimes, or who have been arrested. I think that this may be the same in the UK.

I and millions of others were pleased the EU gave Cameron nothing because it ensured Brexit would happen. Hopefully evoking article 50 can proceed smoothly and on time.