Off Topic The Politics Thread

But they voted to remain. That's not very nice!

 

Ha! It's funny all the same.

 

Problem with Brexit is that it doesn't mean the same to everyone. After reviewing the choices I chose to remain as I could tell what would happen if we voted to leave. It gives me little smug warm glow that my concern was correct & there is no plan to leave & the bluster from the leave campaigners was just that bluster, with no plan of their own. when we leave, as leave we must, people will be unhappy. them that wanted all foreigners deported will be upset, them that want to buy their BMW cars without import duties will be upset. whilst everyone else will find something to moan about and politicians will blame other politicians.
It also amazes me that its assumed "we" will have the final say, once a deal is sorted however rubbish it is for us, we may not have the option to say "no thanks I think we'll stay." I think we need to leave, even on the basic world trade tariff arrangements, agree Brits can remain in Europe, Europeans can remain in the UK as at a set date. All EU laws passed remain on the statute books & then start from scratch. We can then put our trust in Westminster politicians which the leave campaign demanded. That should sort it out, surely we can trust the Westminster elite like we voted for.

 

Everyone agreed on that then?

 

Politics ....urgh

 

Smug being the operative word, Ted. I'm just relieved the majority saw sense and rejected your wishy washy mindset. Europe is heading for the pits of Hell, yet we may just escape by the skin of our teeth.

 

I hate the fact that the traditionalist libertarians out there have their vote marred by the ultra-Right Wing @charltonted who based everything on immigration.

Whilst we saw a dip, it's been gradually growing again. This was always going to happen, but look now what has happened in Italy, and was very close in Poland and Austria. Marie Le Pen is running for French President. It could see the Euro decline further.

Trade without barriers between "selected" countries is a good thing (mainly France, German, Dutch, Italians and Spanish), I agree. But it should have been left at that. There was no need for common agricultural policies, monetary policy, political union or the rumblings of a defensive union.

The way I view the EU now (political union) is similar to a foreign power invading our shores. They have NO RIGHT to dictate laws to our land, this is our right as UK citizens, and our choice (regardless if I agree with our citizens view or not) to make decisions over our land. Why should Juncker have any say about what Britain should implement?

I'd rather we leave the corrupt organisation altogether. Rather we have "free" trade agreement with a select few nations in the EU, rather than all that would benefit us and some nations.

 

After events overnight, it appears that schadenfreude requires a new word in Turkish.

 

I voted remain, it went the other way, tough, argument over, let's see how it pans out. Immigration will I believe increase over the years due to the effects of global warming and mass migrations north (I've always believed in sound scientific research), and people like Nigel Farage are fraudulent to claim they can stop it- a sort of modern day King Canute. Time will tell.One thing for sure, we're all in the same boat however we voted.

 

There is a lot of crap on this thread.

I work in the game - 80% of people who voted Out were solely motivated by the corrosive, offensive and unsustainable levels of mass immigration from Eastern Europe. They have seen their GP surgeries, kid's schools, housing waiting lists, buses, and A&E departments clogged up with people who have no right to be here, other than they have taken advantage that we were "members" of this fraudulent club, with caused us to pay a net "membership fee" of £10 billion a year to allow these people to come to our country in order to drag it down.

Ignore the Wiseacres and the Remoaners - the vast majority of Outers had had enough of immigration.

 

To judge an entire argument on immigration and base your entire vote makes me sad @Royston. When I tell people I voted for Brexit, The Remainers automatically label me racist or ignorant, rather than listen to the points I put across.

I've maintained my line that:
- Citizens can directly vote for whom they wish to represent them, who will serve a defined term (preferably three years)
- Free elections that occur when the defined term has been served
- People running must publish their mandate for all of the citizens of Europe
- Transparency across all of the governing bodies of the European Union

I probably would have voted for Remain.

 

I voted remain, we lost, we deal with it.

Gloating from either side at the time was childish and if people wish to talk about Brexit there's only one thing we can say currently "we'll see". The people leading us out of the EU don't know how it's going to pan out, hence why they're still spending a fortune on "specialists" to assist with the best possible plan.

So if those leading us don't know, Joe average on the street doesn't have a clue.

 

We live in very troubled times indeed, as we all know. The idea that Brexit will make everything better is very appealing. I'd love to escape to that place. The "Glorious Independence Day" headlines were tragic because of the false hopes they raised. Call me a senile old c*** but it appears to me that the more insoluble the world's environmental problems become the more we look for false prophets.

 

Brexit has taught me to no longer get involved in political debate. It's hard when you have certain principles; but easier when your principles are clearly out-of-sync with society.

 

The people leading us 'out' DO know what they are doing - but when you go into a negotiation you don't show the other side [27 bitter Govts] your hand in advance, do you? The Idiot Corbyn, in one of his many laughable utterances as leader, announced the day after the referendum that the Government should invoke Article 50 "immediately". Unfit for office.

The only reason the Remoaners have insisted on seeing 'a plan' requiring a vote, is that they know that primary legislation can be bogged down by unelected peers tabling 100s of amendments in the House of Lords.

 

Another Aunt Sallie

The UK won't start having 50 degree winters just because we have voted to get our independence back.

 

Sorry Royston, but I read New Scientist . The issue really should transcend politics. It doesn't, God knows why.

 

Well, I read "Viz", and Global Warming is a load of old bollox.

I despise the "Global Warming Industry" - put 2 scientists together in a room, and they will disagree.

Its a racket - generated by the well resourced Green Lobby to keep their ilk in jobs.

 

You make a valid point @Royston there. Would rather negotiate with a new German chancellor and Le Penn, rather than the current lot.

 

So we're spending money on seeking advice to leave the EU so that we don't show our hand in negotiations?

Better spin than Shane Warne there