The EU debate - Part III

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DMD said:
Dedpending how it pans out, it could create an opportunity for the rules to be applied equally to all.
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Yes, I get that, but making it more difficult for EU nationals to come here doesn't make it easier for non-EU nationals to do so. The percentages would change but I don't see why the absolute number of non-EU immigrants would rise given what you've been talking about.
 
Tobes said:
Intimating that it's a benefit to non EU citizens is both inaccurate and disingenuous.

Hence the reason that line has been peddled by Farage
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And yet the non-EU people feel it is. Commonwealth Countries are happy because the EU was damaging them with measures like the CAP, that generates a surplus, which is then used in their Countries and impacting on their markets and production.
 
pieguts said:
I'm not swerving anything. 6 million people voted to leave the EU, with immigration as the main reason, and another poll shows that 80% of leavers had concerns over immigration, but with no correlation to which way they voted.
I'm not sure what else I can say as these are the facts?
I have answere your question honestly, but it's not what you want to here. Quite frankly that's not my problem.
At this point normally, you generally accuse posters of racism, but in my case you can't.
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The only people I've accused of being racist, have either admitted to it or have made posts that clearly demonstrate it.

Your point is confused and nonsensical, as you've already admitted that immigration was a prime factor, I'm saying it was the deciding factor and without it Brexit would never have happened. You're merely being argumentative for the sake of it after burying yourself in a daft trench.
 
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Watford_R said:
Yes, I get that, but making it more difficult for EU nationals to come here doesn't make it easier for non-EU nationals to do so. The percentages would change but I don't see why the absolute number of non-EU immigrants would rise given what you've been talking about.
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It creates an opportunity to even out the balance. We can make it more attractive for people holding skills we need for one.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
The idea that leaving the EU and placing restrictions on EU immigration will somehow increase non EU immigration is fanciful bollocks. It's not going to happen!...
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In your opinion. With your record, you predicting that, suggests there's more than a fair chance it will.
 
DMD said:
And yet the non-EU people feel it is. Commonwealth Countries are happy because the EU was damaging them with measures like the CAP, that generates a surplus, which is then used in their Countries and impacting on their markets and production.
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You're going off on a tangent.

The simple fact is, that post Brexit under the Tories,there won't be an increase in the opportunity to come to this country for non EU citizens. Farage hung his hat on that angle knowing that it wouldn't happen, much as you are.
 
DMD said:
It creates an opportunity to even out the balance. We can make it more attractive for people holding skills we need for one.
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If we lacked a certain skill we could have done things to attract people with that skill regardless. Again you talk about equal opportunities but none of it logically ends with more non-EU immigration as far as I can see, just a higher percentage of a smaller number.
 
Tobes said:
You're going off on a tangent.

The simple fact is, that post Brexit under the Tories,there won't be an increase in the opportunity to come to this country for non EU citizens. Farage hung his hat on that angle knowing that it wouldn't happen, much as you are.
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A tangent? :emoticon-0102-bigsm You dragged it here from a post I made about banks. :emoticon-0102-bigsm

It's not a fact, it's just your opinion.
 
DMD said:
In your opinion. With your record, you predicting that, suggests there's more than a fair chance it will.
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And yours is just laughable. When you have anything to back up your ridiculous claims, let's see it

Until then, do us all a favour and shut the **** up for five minutes.,..
 
Watford_R said:
If we lacked a certain skill we could have done things to attract people with that skill regardless. Again you talk about equal opportunities but none of it logically ends with more non-EU immigration as far as I can see, just a higher percentage of a smaller number.
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We tried that, I posted an article some time ago about 3,000 non-EU nurses being turned away, as there is a finite number of total immigrants that can be supported.

Some argued that the UK determined that number, but it was based on estimates on the numbers of EU migrants, which turned out to be far more than was assumed.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
And yours is just laughable. When you have anything to back up your ridiculous claims, let's see it

Until then, do us all a favour and shut the **** up for five minutes.,..
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I've noticed you start asking for people to go away when your 'facts' are shown for being simply your opinion.
 
Tobes said:
The only people I've accused of being racist, have either admitted to it or have made posts that clearly demonstrate it.

Your point is confused and nonsensical, as you've already admitted that immigration was a prime factor, I'm saying it was the deciding factor and without it Brexit would never have happened. You're merely being argumentative for the sake of it after burying yourself in a daft trench.
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This is where we will disagree, prime factor for 6 million absolutely, deciding factor, sorry no.
Provide the proof and I will concede. At the moment I seem to be the only one who understands basic maths, where 17 is greater than 6.
 
DMD said:
I've noticed you start asking for people to go away when your 'facts' are shown for being simply your opinion.
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I have provided you with evidence and good reason to show that it's highly unlikely that immigration from Southern Asia will increase. Your original assertion.

You have, as usual, provided nothing of any substance to indicate otherwise.

You're Full of wind and piss, as per!....
 
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NowsufferinginSpain said:
I have provided you with evidence and good reason to show that it's highly unlikely that immigration from Southern Asia will increase. Your original assertion.

You have, as usual, provided nothing of any substance to indicate otherwise.

You're Full of wind and piss, as per!....
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On this and other occasions, I've posted the considered views of those directly affected, you've posted your personal opinion on why you know better than them.
 
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