All sorts flying around on Twitter. Some saying it could be part of the Ukraine air defence systems that were heavily needed today and bits of them landed over the border.
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Off Topic WW3 How Close?
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I'm not sure the Russians would want to take the risk of cutting margins that fine with their missiles tbh. I think they know NATO would roll them up if they went in.
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How unfortunate.....
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Ukrainian troops on the front lines in the Donbas have told the BBC that Russian forces are "learning every day and changing their strategy" as they continue to gain ground around the heavily contested town of Bakhmut. But the soldiers also insisted that morale remains high, despite growing exhaustion after almost a year of war.
For weeks, Russia's notorious mercenary group Wagner has led much of the fighting around Bakhmut, sustaining catastrophic numbers of casualties by launching near-suicidal mass infantry attacks on smaller towns like Soledar. But in recent days, according to some Ukrainian soldiers, Russia's regular army has resumed a more prominent role, with noticeable effect.
"It is very hard for us now. We understand that Russia is learning every day and changing their strategy. And I think we need to learn faster," said Dmytro Podvorchanskyi, who heads a reconnaissance unit in Dnipro-1.
He and others spoke of the way well-equipped regular Russian forces were now hiding and dispersing their ammunition stores far better and targeting Ukrainian logistics routes more effectively. As a result, they are continuing to gain ground around Bakhmut and threatening another potentially significant town, Vuhledar, further south.
One senior commander said Western supplies had now brought a balance to what had been a deeply uneven artillery war, and that Western tanks could soon tip the overall balance in Ukraine's favour.
While it is no surprise that many Ukrainian troops are suffering from exhaustion after months of conflict, morale, in general, appears to be holding.
"There have been cases of [Ukrainian] units who don't seem willing to fight, and disagreements [over tactics]," one Ukrainian soldier acknowledged, speaking off the record.
One experienced officer said he believed Russia was looking to straighten its frontline, take a few more chunks of the Donbas, and then declare "mission accomplished" and push for peace negotiations. He said he was sure Ukraine would never agree to that but warned that the military would need Western fighter jets to break through all of Russia's new defences, particularly in the south of the country.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64455123
For weeks, Russia's notorious mercenary group Wagner has led much of the fighting around Bakhmut, sustaining catastrophic numbers of casualties by launching near-suicidal mass infantry attacks on smaller towns like Soledar. But in recent days, according to some Ukrainian soldiers, Russia's regular army has resumed a more prominent role, with noticeable effect.
"It is very hard for us now. We understand that Russia is learning every day and changing their strategy. And I think we need to learn faster," said Dmytro Podvorchanskyi, who heads a reconnaissance unit in Dnipro-1.
He and others spoke of the way well-equipped regular Russian forces were now hiding and dispersing their ammunition stores far better and targeting Ukrainian logistics routes more effectively. As a result, they are continuing to gain ground around Bakhmut and threatening another potentially significant town, Vuhledar, further south.
One senior commander said Western supplies had now brought a balance to what had been a deeply uneven artillery war, and that Western tanks could soon tip the overall balance in Ukraine's favour.
While it is no surprise that many Ukrainian troops are suffering from exhaustion after months of conflict, morale, in general, appears to be holding.
"There have been cases of [Ukrainian] units who don't seem willing to fight, and disagreements [over tactics]," one Ukrainian soldier acknowledged, speaking off the record.
One experienced officer said he believed Russia was looking to straighten its frontline, take a few more chunks of the Donbas, and then declare "mission accomplished" and push for peace negotiations. He said he was sure Ukraine would never agree to that but warned that the military would need Western fighter jets to break through all of Russia's new defences, particularly in the south of the country.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64455123
A few month old but a good video of an air defence system, at work.
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So China calling for a ceasefire, words of sense '' escalation not good for anyone/the world'' a 12 part peace plan. Zelensky seeing merit of at least parts of plan. Chances of Putin being persuaded to consider - who knows. Can we possibly hope that anything will come of this ?
I doubt it as it suggests that Russia will keep what they have. Zelensky won’t agree to a ceasefire until the Russian despot gets his deflated, laughable army off their land
Yes agree. Any peace will depend upon Zelensky/Ukraine seeing that giving a bit could keep the world from war -- and of course a promise from Russia to the world that they have no further intentions there or to any other country -- and the wests/Nato promise that they aren't interested in Russia. It's not men who are fighting brave, it's men who are brave enough to talk and achieve peace thats needed.
We really need to get rid of this psychotic bastard sooner rather than later 
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Good post mate. Problem is,does anyone trust the Russian promise?
On holiday in Portugal some years ago....needed a taxi, could have shared....some locals telling me not to share with the Russians....hated them...they're not trusted throughout.
Sadly that sounds very much like the Munich Agreement Hitler signed after invading Czechoslovakian . While Putin is in power allowing him to keep any land seized by force will only lead to other claims and invasions.
Hitler never would have surrendered, never did, it was only after he effectively took himself out of the picture that others were brave enough to talk.
Unfortunately until Putin is no longer the all powerful leader that he is, it's unlikely anyone will dare to step forward to talk from the Russian side.
@Brainy Dose @Washysafc @safcfansofaraway . The fact that three of you have straight away highlighted different obstacles to that idea, just shows how complicated it would be to get agreement and adherence ( by leaders anyway , sure 8 billion of us peasants would be happy to share a beer and move on )