Two to three days would be better . . . . for the whole world 
Off Topic WW3 How Close?
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I really don't think he'll get that reaction from the majority of the Russian population. Despite what some people say about him controlling the media and what the people are being told, There's evidence that most of the younger generation have access to all the global news outlets ( via VPN ) and they see a very different story of this SMO /WAR, and he can't pull the wool over their eyes, when they see protests and evidence from around the world, and suddenly the police are grabbing conscripts off the street corners and basically kidnapping them, despite the SMO going swimmingly well according to official reports. Shoygu saying less than 6000 russian deaths!!, yet no rotation of troops who've been away nearly a year ( on 6 month contracts). I think the russian public are rapidly putting 2+2 together, and I think the small trickle of protests will grow quickly now, and the next two months will see a major shift in public opinion.
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev seemed to square away any ambiguity with regards to the use of nuclear weapons.
Medevedev said any weapons in Moscow's arsenal, including strategic nuclear weapons, could be used to defend territories joined to Russia from Ukraine, Reuters reported.
Medvedev, who also serves as deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, said that referendums planned by Russian-installed and separatist authorities in large swathes of Ukrainian territory will take place, and "there is no going back", according to the news agency.
"The Western establishment and all citizens of Nato countries in general need to understand that Russia has chosen its own path," he said
Medevedev said any weapons in Moscow's arsenal, including strategic nuclear weapons, could be used to defend territories joined to Russia from Ukraine, Reuters reported.
Medvedev, who also serves as deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, said that referendums planned by Russian-installed and separatist authorities in large swathes of Ukrainian territory will take place, and "there is no going back", according to the news agency.
"The Western establishment and all citizens of Nato countries in general need to understand that Russia has chosen its own path," he said
my own thoughts with little to base them on if honest, putin will now be looking at some kind of 'how do i get out of this without losing face' scenario, nukes are not the way as he is going to endanger far more than just his initial target(s) and i somehow do not think he is that mental... yet.
as things stand, he carries on and he loses, not only losing face but losing most of any support he still has.
if he withdraws he loses but saves a little face and support..maybe enough to keep him where he wants to be, in power.
use nukes and he is damned forever, his own country and people will lose far more and russia will be tarnished forever...should anyone survive, that is and any future dealings with russia will be minimal i would expect (close allies only if they stick by him after he makes that choice).
i would say his best course of action right now is to withdraw his military, congratulate ukraine and proclaim that no more from either side should be lost to the conflict...a good leader recognises when all is lost as well as taking all the plaudits from a win.
as things stand, he carries on and he loses, not only losing face but losing most of any support he still has.
if he withdraws he loses but saves a little face and support..maybe enough to keep him where he wants to be, in power.
use nukes and he is damned forever, his own country and people will lose far more and russia will be tarnished forever...should anyone survive, that is and any future dealings with russia will be minimal i would expect (close allies only if they stick by him after he makes that choice).
i would say his best course of action right now is to withdraw his military, congratulate ukraine and proclaim that no more from either side should be lost to the conflict...a good leader recognises when all is lost as well as taking all the plaudits from a win.
as long as Ukraine get to bank the £600 billion thats frozen in western banks to rebuild their country.
Conscripts are only (supposed) to be deployed inside Russia.
Note there is no option to become an independent state in the occupied zone referenda, the vote is become part of Russia yes or no.
When Russian-appointees announce that these Ukrainian regions have voted to join Russia then expect ratification by the Russian Parliament within days.
With these occupied areas of Ukraine now becoming, under Russian law, parts of Russia, Putin will be free to deploy all of his conscripts to Ukraine - including the newly mobilised 300,000. However, I don't think these will be headed there - I think they are more likely to replace troops guarding other regions and borders so they can be sent to fight in Ukraine
Putin is like a cornered rat and I wouldn’t put anything past him.
I'm confused about just who is being transferred into The Russian Military.
Some reports say 'Reservists,
My understanding of this, using UK's Military set up as my example, is that these will be former troops who, having completed their term of engagement, transfer into the 'Reserves for some years.
They can be recalled in any emergency and pick up. more or less, where they left off, almost seamlessly.
Some reports say 'Conscripts'.
This indicates enlisting people with no military training.
Given that it takes time for 'basic training' and more time for specialist training, this is no sort of quick fix.
And all the training in the World cannot give any potential combatants that essential ingredient, EXPERIENCE.
IF its the first option, it's a good idea, given the circumstances, though it's hard to see that unhappy out of practice ex-soldiers will perform any better than the troops they are replacing.
The second option is merely 'cannon fodder'.
Ukraine's troops are now battle hardened, thanks to Mr Putin.
Whichever option, these new troops will require equipment to fight with.
So much has been lost by Russia, much of it apparently outdated, that logistics looks like a problem as well.
Some reports say 'Reservists,
My understanding of this, using UK's Military set up as my example, is that these will be former troops who, having completed their term of engagement, transfer into the 'Reserves for some years.
They can be recalled in any emergency and pick up. more or less, where they left off, almost seamlessly.
Some reports say 'Conscripts'.
This indicates enlisting people with no military training.
Given that it takes time for 'basic training' and more time for specialist training, this is no sort of quick fix.
And all the training in the World cannot give any potential combatants that essential ingredient, EXPERIENCE.
IF its the first option, it's a good idea, given the circumstances, though it's hard to see that unhappy out of practice ex-soldiers will perform any better than the troops they are replacing.
The second option is merely 'cannon fodder'.
Ukraine's troops are now battle hardened, thanks to Mr Putin.
Whichever option, these new troops will require equipment to fight with.
So much has been lost by Russia, much of it apparently outdated, that logistics looks like a problem as well.
I think it's just anybody they can round up who hasn't already left Russia tbh.
The longer this goes the more confident the Americans will be that they can roll these ****ers up. Maybe it's time for a frank message from them to Vlad.
Just my thoughts, I am of the opinion that plans are in place to put and end to the Putin era.
Looks like the Chechnyan fella has had enough.....
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Looks like the different factions are starting to keep their powder dry for the Post-Putin era. I'm sure Kadyrov will want to come out of this war with more than he started with, so his troops will be needed for his own land grab operations. I still think Belarus will become the fall-guy here, it could end up being taken by any number of interested parties.
I’m sure I saw, I think on the BBC, that National Service still exists in Russia so it will likely be those that completed theirs.
The USofA had plans to put an end to Castro's regime in Cuba.
The best known of these was The Bay of Pigs fiasco.
There were many others,
ALL failed.
Gun attack at a central Russian school.
What's the bets the attacker is 'identified' as being Ukrainian?
What's the bets the attacker is 'identified' as being Ukrainian?
'A video posted online by the investigative committee shows the gunman lying dead on the floor wearing a T-shirt with a Nazi symbol and a balaclava.'
It's possibly gonna look that way.
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